Right now, they don't should they? I want to see others opinions...

My Response? No way. Hilary says that she's winning the popular vote. Well, yeah. The only reason that she won both Michigan and Florida, is because all of the other Democratic candidates pulled out when they found out that the delegates wouldn't count. So she was the only one running. Now that she's losing, she wants those votes to count because it will give here an advantage. Yes she won there. Yes Fidel Castro won many elections in Cuba. What do they have in common? They were both running unopposed.

they broke the rules. now they want a do-over.. NOT!

They're not looking for a do over, they just want 1 vote for each voter. This whole primary fiasco has left a bad taste in the mouths of a lot of people. Maybe now that the DNC has decided to seat all the delegates at the convention (with only half a vote each), things will settle down and they (Democrats) will stop shooting themselves in the foot. Then again, we're talking about politicians and they're not known for their unselfish acts.

I believe that the Votes should count in my opinion. The idea of the party (either one) setting terms to sovereign states kinda pisses me off.

On a funny note. Back in 2000. The Democrats kept on bragging that they want to "Make Every Vote Count" and yet in their own elections for their own primary they don't make every vote count.

Florida - yes
Michigan - no

sorry folks, they knew the rules about WHEN to have their primary. They violated them, and now that it is close, they cry.

They have basically killed the party. Go McCain! See you at 1600 Penn....

Does it even really matter when corporate donations are the majority of any Rep, Sen or Presidential hopeful and they contribute in equal amounts to BOTH parties? Our votes are a farcical show to keep the herd placated. $ talks, BS walks... and arguing about these issues is just what these people want so you are distracted from real issues that could actually change the status quo.

Now someone get me off this soapbox, heights make me dizzy.

Well TI, there are other considerations. It may be a little more complicated than one would first think. Consider this.
Florida’s Primary date, as determined by state law, violated one part of the "Rules" because it came before February 5, 2008. The DNC only allows Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire and South Carolina to go before February 5, but Florida law set theirs for January 29.
The DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee (RBC) is the only body that can grant final approval of the Delegate Selection Plan, but the Credentials Committee of the Democratic National Convention decides who actually attends the Convention.
Instead if saying it was just Florida going off on its own as some kind of renegade state, consider that the state legislature is controlled by Republicans. So, that early primary date was determined not by Democrats but by Republicans. Interesting, no?
Also, consider that before a specific date had been decided upon by the Republicans, some Democrats did actively support the idea of moving earlier in the calendar year. That changed when Speaker Rubio announced he wanted to break the Rules of the Democratic and Republican National Committees. Following this announcement, DNC and Florida Democratic Party staff talked about the possibility that the FL primary date would move up in violation of the "Rules". Party leaders, Chairwoman Thurman and members of Congress then lobbied Democratic members of the Legislature to prevent the primary from moving earlier than February 5th. Democratic Party leadership spent time
discussing opposition to and the ramifications of a pre-February 5th primary with legislators, former and current Congressional members, DNC members, DNC staff, donors, activists, etc., etc... In response to the Party’s efforts, Senate Democratic Leaders Geller and Wilson and House Democratic Leaders Gelber and Cusack introduced amendments to hold the Primary on the first Tuesday in February, instead of January 29th. These were both defeated by the overwhelming Republican majority in each house.
So, it seems worth considering that even though the Republicans changed the primary date, the DNC wants to "punish" the Democratic voters.

Originally Posted by DTop

Well TI, there are other considerations. It may be a little more complicated than one would first think. Consider this.
Florida’s Primary date, as determined by state law, violated one part of the "Rules" because it came before February 5, 2008. The DNC only allows Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire and South Carolina to go before February 5, but Florida law set theirs for January 29.
The DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee (RBC) is the only body that can grant final approval of the Delegate Selection Plan, but the Credentials Committee of the Democratic National Convention decides who actually attends the Convention.
Instead if saying it was just Florida going off on its own as some kind of renegade state, consider that the state legislature is controlled by Republicans. So, that early primary date was determined not by Democrats but by Republicans. Interesting, no?
Also, consider that before a specific date had been decided upon by the Republicans, some Democrats did actively support the idea of moving earlier in the calendar year. That changed when Speaker Rubio announced he wanted to break the Rules of the Democratic and Republican National Committees. Following this announcement, DNC and Florida Democratic Party staff talked about the possibility that the FL primary date would move up in violation of the "Rules". Party leaders, Chairwoman Thurman and members of Congress then lobbied Democratic members of the Legislature to prevent the primary from moving earlier than February 5th. Democratic Party leadership spent time
discussing opposition to and the ramifications of a pre-February 5th primary with legislators, former and current Congressional members, DNC members, DNC staff, donors, activists, etc., etc... In response to the Party’s efforts, Senate Democratic Leaders Geller and Wilson and House Democratic Leaders Gelber and Cusack introduced amendments to hold the Primary on the first Tuesday in February, instead of January 29th. These were both defeated by the overwhelming Republican majority in each house.
So, it seems worth considering that even though the Republicans changed the primary date, the DNC wants to "punish" the Democratic voters.

Seems alright, except the the results shouldn't count because Obama pulled out and was not in the primary. Clinton signed a paper that she would recognize that the results were not to count, and ALL candidates pulled out with the exception of Clinton. Who won by default.

Florida State law allows candidates who wish to withdraw from the Florida primary to do so by filing an affidavit stating that he or she is not a candidate for President of the United States of America. In other words: to get off the ballot in Florida, a candidate has to swear that he or she isn’t running for President.