About Separation of Church and State Page 4
|June 4th, 2005||#31|
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si deum nobiscum, quis contra?
AS LONG AS DIXIE STILL EXISTS,THIS COUNTRY WILL NEVER FALL
|June 4th, 2005||#32|
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Irregardless, those are the commands of Yahweh who with jesus and the holy spirit is one god, one being.
Of course you probobly are trying to motion to the two-covenants theory of interperating the bible which states, essentially, that the old testament is merely a backstory for Jesus Christ's laws. Oddly enough, though, the people who ignore the teachings about genocide under this theory are very angry when the equally discounted Ten Commandments, which should be ignored along with those genocide lines, where removed from the courthouse. Then, of course, you are left with the beatitudes, or Jesus' teachings. The main problem with this loveley scenario is that the Christianity of Jesus is far to hard a path for most people to accept, (give away all your money, fast in the desert etc.) and since you are speaking to me on a computer I assume you do not follow that lifestyle.
So we are left with mainstream Christianity which essentially seeks to ignore the parts of the bible they don't like (such as those ugly ugly genocide things, let me just turn my blind eye... oh there, gone!) and believe what they want to believe (god damned gays, let's send em' all to hell at shotgun point!)
Of course, a Christian ruler could just as easily interpret the bible to say that Jesus is the ideal citizen and that Yahweh is the ideal ruler. The ideal citizen should give up all he has for yahweh (in this instance the ruler) and the ruler (me) should be, as yahweh's holy representative on earth, able to bash babies against walls like in Jehrico.
But that is wrong! That's not my religion! Yes, and that's why we have a very firm line between church&state.
|June 4th, 2005||#33|
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The Western Hemisphere contains The Americas and nearby islands. The terminology is meant to serve as an analogy with the natural geographic division of the world into a Northern and Southern Hemisphere. However, it is more a geopolitical rather than a geographical term, and refers mostly to the governments and nations that are located in the region; there is no physically-based boundary on the planet that actually separates the Western Hemisphere from the rest of the world, such as the equator which is defined by the rotation of the earth and which thus separates the Northern and Southern hemispheres. (Some suggest that the eastern and western hemispheres are divided by the Prime Meridian and the 180° line of Longitude. This would mean that parts of Europe, Africa, and Asia belong in the Western Hemisphere.) Neither is there a way to determine which of two hemispheres (wherever one draws the line between them) is the "western" one, since "western" is a relative direction. The area commonly called Western Hemisphere is western only relative to an observer in Europe or Africa, and so the term is considered eurocentric.
“The waves of the ocean arrives before to this mountain than the romans´ arms”
Corocotta, Cantabrian warrior (century I B.C)
|June 4th, 2005||#35|
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People would be alot better off if they lived under only one rule - The Golden Rule: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
Take that as a guiding principle in how to live your life and you won't have to worry about the seperation of church and state or whether or not your religious beliefs are being considered.
Unfortunately, it will never happen universally. Somebody will always want something for nothing and is willing to take advantage of others to get it. Still, it doesn't mean you can't try to be that way yourself.
A M O R ~ V I N C I T ~ O M N I A
\"Love Conquers Everything\" - Horace
|June 6th, 2005||#36|
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For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
Most of all the Old Testament was realized through Christ, and Christian must strive to live towards Christ truth and grace.
Thats why it wrong for Christains today to massacre populations, shoot gays with shotguns, and bash babbies. Most if not all Christians will be against anyone who tries to do this.
As far as the 10 commandments go, it is still relevant today because the Old Testament are spiritual methaphores for New Testament faith and struggles, ect.
Not only that, those commandments are some of the very few laws that come from the old testament that Jesus and also the Apostles mention for Christians to follow. The rest you don't have to follow because of Christ grace.
So NO, Christians arent ignoring one part to follow another. Far from it.
All parts are kept in mind. In fact the very examples you use is a very good example why the US should not forget its Christian roots.
Because of the Biblical laws (not just the ones mentioned above) the Isralites became strong as a nation, and were at the height of power during king Solomon's reign. They were the wealthiest and one of the most powerful regional powers and possibly on the verge of empire within two or three more kings had they stayed the course. However towards the end of Solomon's reign some of those commands listed above were starting to be violated, some by Solomon himself.
They started to worship foreign idols, chief among them was Molech, which required people to sacrifice children into fire. The worship of these gods changed their individual attitudes and thus their whole national character. This set off a whole chain of events where the original Bibical laws were no longer followed. The laws which kept them strong as a people were soon disregarded. This resulted in a downhill slide for them. Within one or two generations they were a divided people with two kingdoms, until later they were eventually conquered by foriegn invader, and they all became slaves.
Of the two kingdoms Judah and Israel, the smaller one Judah lasted considerable longer only because of a series of kings who did away with idol worship and restored the Biblical laws which made them strong again for a time, until again another series of kings did away with it again and re-introduced idol worship, which weakened them again until eventual conquest.
As far as a New Testament metaphore, the Christain foundation of the founding fathers which brought us here has kept us strong. They knew the same lesson from the Old Testament. If we forget it then it will lead to our fall, if you want proof all you have to do is look at Europe, they wont last more than 50 to a 100 years or even less.
|June 7th, 2005||#37|
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" 2 Then the LORD said to Joshua, "See, I have delivered Jericho into your hands, along with its king and its fighting men. " (Joshua 6:2 NIV)
Jericho sinned and was handed over to Israel. And to make sure Jericho would never exist again,Joshua swore:
" 26 At that time Joshua pronounced this solemn oath: "Cursed before the LORD is the man who undertakes to rebuild this city, Jericho:
"At the cost of his firstborn son
will he lay its foundations;
at the cost of his youngest
will he set up its gates."
27 So the LORD was with Joshua, and his fame spread throughout the land.
(Joshua 6:26-27 NIV)
|June 7th, 2005||#39|
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Gladius, Israel's power had much more to do with the geopolitics of their time instead of god. That is, of course, unless you think America's power was is because god likes us, and Britain's power in the 1800s was because god liked them best, and Prussia's power in the 1700s was because they where God's favorite and France's power in the 1600s was because god really liked them at that time and China's power before the 1600s was because god was so pleased with buddhism. And if god loved Israel enough to let her have almost 3 kings before she began to crumble, imagine how much god loved Persia and how extrordinarily much god loved Alexander the Great and his sexual trists with his young hopolites.
Israel came to its peak because of a power vaccum that they where able to fill. It only lasted for 2 kings and then the real powers of the time reconstituted themselves in that theater and proceded to bludgen the hell out of her. Actually in the 2nd civil war, Israel invaded Judea to force Judea to fight the Asyrians but Jerusalem asked the Asyrians to save them and that's how Israel was conquered by the Asyrians. That would essentially have been like the South getting Brittain to conquer the North during our civil war.
When you strip away the religion, Israel was a real state. It only came to power because the big powers where preocupied and then broke in 1/2 and proceeded to get the crap kicked out of her by everyone and their dog over the next few hundred years. Hardly the kind of nation we'd want to model ourselves after.
|June 7th, 2005||#40|
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It isn't about who God likes or doesn't like.
Christian principles foster, honesty, hard work, and family values. All 3 necesary for building of a strong nation.
Look at Europe for example their liberal beliefs doesn't foster family values, thus they have a shrinking population, how is this shrinking population going to support a larger and larger old population, and a continuing economy in the future, it cant.
The reason Israel broke in half like I said is because they had forgeten those laws which made them strong in the first place. Had they remained united there would be no Judah to ask Assyria to help conquer Israel, instead they would probably been able to hold off Assyria, if not conquer them themselves, had they remained united and strong like they were supposed to.
The real reason Israel was a up state, like I said before, is because they had forgoten their Bilbical laws along with its values. Before that, when those laws were in place they were a strong nation.
You keep giving examples trying to illustrate why Israel was so messed up, when the very examples you give are the same reasons not to forget the Christian principles this nation was founded under. Israel forgot those Biblical laws thats why they got the crap beat out of them.
Besides, those Christian foundations are what took us here today, Atheism and Liberalism did not make this country. So far the only example Atheism has given us is the failed state of the Soviet Union.