Originally Posted by mkenny

Very few LL Locomotives were shipped during WW2. The numbers were never enough to have any great impact during 1941-1944.

Where are you getting your numbers from?

Locomotives (all types)

1940 928
1941 708
1942 9
1943 43
1944 32
1945 8
Total 442

Allied Deliveries 1966

Total 2408

Allied Proportion 81.6%

http://orbat.com/site/sturmvogel/SovLendLease.html

I'm not stating that those figures are gospel, but it does have decent sources quoted.

Originally Posted by Doppleganger

Where are you getting your numbers from?

Locomotives (all types)

1940 928
1941 708
1942 9
1943 43
1944 32
1945 8
Total 442

Allied Deliveries 1966

Total 2408

Allied Proportion 81.6%

The trick is to remember what the figures refer to.
Wartime production (including LL) was 2400 but that ignores the 30,000 Locomotives the Soviets started the war with..

Originally Posted by Mark Conley

This russian periodical seems to differ with the few account. its indicates at leat 13,000 engines and cars...even if its one locomotive per 50 cars thats still 200 locomotives.

Just what would be the effect of even having 200 extra locomotives be you figure?

It is 2000 locos and 11,000 railcars added together. The Soviets had 600,000 railcars in 1941

Originally Posted by mkenny

The trick is to remember what the figures refer to.
Wartime production (including LL) was 2400 but that ignores the 30,000 Locomotives the Soviets started the war with..



It is 2000 locos and 11,000 railcars added together. The Soviets had 600,000 railcars in 1941

I dont know where you are getting the figures mkeeny. from what i understand, you are saying that the soviet union had 30,000 locomotives, and 600,000 cars, for a pre-war total before the germans started destroying it, or capturing it. was this 30,000 state of the line locomotives capable of hauling the tanks and goods and men, or is this a total count of switching engines, relics, or inter-urban people movers? not that it cant move military supplies, but some engines just werent designed or had the mass to move material of war. if you are getting this info on line, could you post the link to it please?

The strangest thing that i have found in my research was the soviets were more pleased with the rails we supplied them to build more track. some of these people suggest using these rails, the soviets built more track then what was existing from 1928-39, in short increasing it more than by a half.

In my opinion, they still were more than lucky. it may have been 2000 that reached them, but i havent read yet that the soviets refused them.

Originally Posted by Mark Conley

from what i understand, you are saying that the soviet union had 30,000 locomotives, and 600,000 cars, for a pre-war total before the germans started destroying it, or capturing it. was this 30,000 state of the line locomotives capable of hauling the tanks and goods and men, or is this a total count of switching engines, relics, or inter-urban people movers? not that it cant move military supplies, but some engines just werent designed or had the mass to move material of war. if you are getting this info on line, could you post the link to it please?

It is directly comparable to the 25,000 locomotives and 605,000 railcars Germany had in her 1939 inventory. That is it was a mix of types needed to run a modern railway.
This is a link to the Soviet railways in 1935.
http://mikes.railhistory.railfan.net/r097.html#2

Germany captured 2,237 railcars and 231 locomotives from the Soviets in 1941. In contrast they got 4,260 Locomotives and 140,000 railcars from France and the Low Countries. (from Tooze)

In my opinion, they still were more than lucky. it may have been 2000 that reached them, but i havent read yet that the soviets refused them.

That may be true however the claim was 80-90% of Soviet Locos were supplied via LL. This was not the case.
Only 20% (by tonnage) of the Locos were sent before July 1944. Transit times meant a very late arrival for the Locos.

I have seen figures that say that 16,000 Soviet Locos were lost (for all reasons) during WW2.