Originally Posted by darkgreensoldier666

Exactly the reason I asked because I don't understand it in a big picture...
Almost all the modern wars are caused by economics ...
in the other hand just after thhe conflict in Georgia Ukraine cut the gas to Europe and I see no claim :-/

Of course all wars about economics, they always have been, they are and they will be. About the ukraina cutting off the gas supply to euroe, they have their own issues with russia and euroe needs the gas, so europe (it should be western europe) is dragged in by the ukraine. If this is a good idea, well we will se in the future.

and I think USA mistook there because of they shouldn't bet on Georgia.
but there is big goal that USA succed that Warsaw-Pakt getting smaller.

The warsaw akt is history for quite some time. The western countries did make some romises to russia during the time the warsaw akt broke up (wich was caused on a big part by russia). But keeping romises and politics never went along well.

another one I don;t understand why Ukraine join NATO Russia really influencing Ukraine and joining NATO just made them a lot of troubles?

History? you may search around the net a bit.

Originally Posted by cisco

History? you may search around the net a bit.

Yes I should but have no strenghts too much desinformation today ,
I think we will never know a whole picture (.

Originally Posted by darkgreensoldier666

So USA Goal was to cut Russian GAS out of Europe ???

Yup, if EU would engage in a joint energetic venture like that it would be an incredible cementing activity, US is not a friend of Europe, its ready to do business with respective European states but it doesnt want a superstate to emerge and will do everything to hinder it.

Originally Posted by darkgreensoldier666

And today everybody accusing Georgia in invasion to South Osetia ???
I guess you right=>Georgians so stupid !!

If i'm correct then US gave clear signals of giving them help but indeed Georgia acted stupidly.

Originally Posted by darkgreensoldier666

how that war would accelerate Georgia to NATO ? (I mean if i was NATO I wouldn't take them).

Georgia will never be in NATO, thats just an argument to draw attention from real issue which is US f*cking with Europe, big time.

Originally Posted by darkgreensoldier666

And one more question Why USA interested to put Russia as a main threat ???

Because then USA itself is not perceived as a threat and can capitalize on the fear factor by getting political concessions from Eastern Europe and further tearing EU apart.

Originally Posted by darkgreensoldier666

wouldn't it be better to unite USA and Russia against real Threats ???
The cold war is over , Russia is weak today , and there is Countries that really have to worry about.

You have to undestand that USA is a hegemony, it wants to keep being a hegemony, it has no business in benevolent policies if they lead it to lose its position as global empire.

USA needs Russia as the "big enemy" and Russian goverment is too entangled in its own post communist mindset to notice so USA will manipulate Russia against Europe with a carrot/stick strategy, Washington has no business in being buddies with anyone atm.

Originally Posted by Panzercracker

Yup, if EU would engage in a joint energetic venture like that it would be an incredible cementing activity, US is not a friend of Europe, its ready to do business with respective European states but it doesnt want a superstate to emerge and will do everything to hinder it.

If i'm correct then US gave clear signals of giving them help but indeed Georgia acted stupidly.


Georgia will never be in NATO, thats just an argument to draw attention from real issue which is US f*cking with Europe, big time.


Because then USA itself is not perceived as a threat and can capitalize on the fear factor by getting political concessions from Eastern Europe and further tearing EU apart.

You have to undestand that USA is a hegemony, it wants to keep being a hegemony, it has no business in benevolent policies if they lead it to lose its position as global empire.

USA needs Russia as the "big enemy" and Russian goverment is too entangled in its own post communist mindset to notice so USA will manipulate Russia against Europe with a carrot/stick strategy, Washington has no business in being buddies with anyone atm.

Ok , but as I told Russia is too weak to day to put them as BIG ENEMY
what about china or IRAN ?

Originally Posted by darkgreensoldier666

Ok , but as I told Russia is too weak to day to put them as BIG ENEMY
what about china or IRAN ?

Its not a question of actually being an enemy, its all about demonizing Russia so people see it as a big enemy.

Iran is not an enemy of anyone, it doesnt even call for destruction of Israel (it was mistranslated - the guy basically said "zionism that rules Israel has to be destroyed) not to mention Iran is not Iraq, invading it is a whole lot more difficult.

China holds US by the balls with its massive massive debt, USA never picks an enemy that can fight back, thats one of the golden rules of their policy after cold war.

Originally Posted by Panzercracker

Its not a question of actually being an enemy, its all about demonizing Russia so people see it as a big enemy.

Iran is not an enemy of anyone, it doesnt even call for destruction of Israel (it was mistranslated - the guy basically said "zionism that rules Israel has to be destroyed) not to mention Iran is not Iraq, invading it is a whole lot more difficult.

China holds US by the balls with its massive massive debt, USA never picks an enemy that can fight back, thats one of the golden rules of their policy after cold war.

OKaaay .. I meant Iran as possible nucklear threat ..
but Ok ..

Originally Posted by darkgreensoldier666

OKaaay .. I meant Iran as possible nucklear threat ..
but Ok ..

Why is Iran a possible nuclear threat? Israel has nukes, US has nukes, Russia has nukes, heck even Pakistan which is threatened by Islam extremists has nukes and suddenly Iran becomes a nuclear threat?

Start thinking for yourself.

Originally Posted by Panzercracker

Why is Iran a possible nuclear threat? Israel has nukes, US has nukes, Russia has nukes, heck even Pakistan which is threatened by Islam extremists has nukes and suddenly Iran becomes a nuclear threat?

Start thinking for yourself.

And exactly how do you think I'm-a-nut-job intends to wipe out Zionism?As far as Russia being a threat, maybe maybe not, but Putin seems to be rolling back things to authoritarian rule, kinda like late Wiemar Republic days.

Originally Posted by George

And exactly how do you think I'm-a-nut-job intends to wipe out Zionism?

The guy NEVER said Iran needs to wipe out Zionism, the fact is that it was deliberately mistranslated to get people worked up, if Iran was THAT determined they'd just drop some biological agents into Israeli rivers.

Yes Iran is a barbaric state by our standards but its not an international threat, far less than USA (which actually used nukes) Israel (which was preparing to use them during Yom Kippur) or for example Pakistan if it gets overrun by extremists.

The only two reasons its being targeted is because Israel fears a nuclear rival in the region (as long as Jews have nukes they can do heck-all they like if someone else gets the stick they'll have to be more civil) and by US which tries to turn the populace attention away from the fact that their economy is collapsing.

Russia is not a threat, in fact the specifics of Russian economy (there's no economy apart from fossil exports) means that Russia will cease to exist as a sovereign state in the next 20-50 years if it doesnt reform itself.

Originally Posted by cisco

US is not happy about EU, the potential superstate could challenge their dominance so they try to play Russia against EU and thats the best way they could do it.

Could be, if you take into account that France, England and germany had quite good lelations to russia in the past, even if allianced used to change from time to time. Especially germany does quite some business with russia right now. And than there are, as I said, some former warsaw pakt states, like poland or georgia, who are rather great fans of the usa and have some, understandable, issues with russia. All in all, a quite complex situation.

Not happy? I'm thrilled the EU is doing so well, i think its wonderful to have such a strong ally and friend. ( im not thrilled with the hate on you tube, but that door swings both ways i guess)


I think what happened is much more simple. Russia is afraid of NATO, whats more Russia is afraid of NATO's growing influence along it;s borders. With it;s former slave-states abandoning Russia over the last 20 years Its feeling boxed in strategically. It needed to assert that it was still in charge of the regain not NATO. By attacking a potential member of NATO- Russia makes Georgia seem like a high-risk nation for NATO to take it as it could be dragged into a war with Russia or even the SCO.

Gas may have been part of the reason, i noticed Russia tried pretty hard to sever the pipe with missile strikes and with it finds itself holding Eastern Europe by the balls on energy- perhaps even Western Europe. By attacking the pipeline Russia asures its the go to place for energy and can keep charging the high rates for it.