I'll never be able to support any law that tells a woman whether she can or cannot have an abortion. It's her body. Pregnancy causes a lot of physical changes (your brain actually shrinks a little temporarily too) and giving birth is painful, so I think it is totally wrong that anyone thinks they have the moral authority to tell people whether they have to keep the child if the mother doesn't want it.

I also think morning after pills are a great invention, especially because condoms are just not as good, and the world is already overpopulated. Once they're in a steady relationship, I don't know anyone my age who wouldn't prefer pills to other means.

Damien, the government already has a list of things we can or can't do with our bodies, but in case you haven't noticed, tons of people disregard these laws. And I don't see why they shouldn't; it's really none of the government's business unless you are harming someone other than yourself or endangering others by driving impaired, for example.

Edit: Sorry if this offends anyone, I'm just saying it how I see it.

It's really none of the government's business unless you are harming someone other than yourself.

So like ending another person's life could be considered harming someone other than yourself?

Originally Posted by Damien435

The child didn't make a mistake, I did, I should be the one to pick up the slack, not the child.

Yet the child usually ends up picking up the slack when they're born unwanted anyway.

**** happens. I was planned, both my parents were married and had decent jobs when I was born, yet my family ended up declaring bankruptcy, divorced and our house was foreclosed on. I have lingering health issues from things we couldn't afford to take care of when I was little that I am getting taken care of by ones and twos as I get the money saved up. **** happens. The Hilton's had all sorts of money, that didn't stop their child from being ****ed up six ways to Tuesday. Is a life without all the privileges of wealth worse than no life at all? So they'll have a ****ed up childhood, that doesn't stop them from moving on and still living a happy, successful life. There's this thing called adoption, I know, another "A" word ZOMG! Thousands of ready, willing and able parents want to adopt but for an assortment of reasons can't, let those parents adopted the "unwanted' children. Just because a child is unwanted doesn't warrant depriving said child of their future.

Good post Damien. That health situation, not being able to get treatment I mean, is a very sad matter. We just have to treat our kids properly, as civilised societies - somehow. We have to find a way to mend them, not kill them.

And we have to address the question of preventing unwanted conception.
I used to tell my boys 'never have sex with someone you would not be prepared to marry'. I would now add ' never have sex with someone you would not be prepared to share the responsibility of a child with'.

I know that this is unrealistic in real life - but at least it makes the point to consider in their minds. Children are precious treasures - not belongings to be tossed aside like unwanted presents.

A start would be the drastic reduction of the permissable period allowed for terminations.

BTW - as far as our own bodies are concerned, the law does not permit us to switch our own light off when WE decide we have had enough, even in the face of devastating terminal ailments. That wouldn't hurt anyone else, and would enable us to retain our dignity, which is all we have in the last resort. So much for choice.

Originally Posted by Del Boy

Good post Damien. That health situation, not being able to get treatment I mean, is a very sad matter. We just have to treat our kids properly, as civilised societies - somehow. We have to find a way to mend them, not kill them.

And we have to address the question of preventing unwanted conception.
I used to tell my boys 'never have sex with someone you would not be prepared to marry'. I would now add ' never have sex with someone you would not be prepared to share the responsibility of a child with'.

I know that this is unrealistic in real life - but at least it makes the point to consider in their minds. Children are precious treasures - not belongings to be tossed aside like unwanted presents.

A start would be the drastic reduction of the permissable period allowed for terminations.

BTW - as far as our own bodies are concerned, the law does not permit us to switch our own light off when WE decide we have had enough, even in the face of devastating terminal ailments. That wouldn't hurt anyone else, and would enable us to retain our dignity, which is all we have in the last resort. So much for choice.

I agree, good post. However, there are a large number of people out there who will not listen to this, and who will abandon their kids or mistreat them because they are unwanted. If abortions are at least offered, that lowers these numbers of abused and neglected kids.

Originally Posted by The Other Guy

I agree, good post. However, there are a large number of people out there who will not listen to this, and who will abandon their kids or mistreat them because they are unwanted. If abortions are at least offered, that lowers these numbers of abused and neglected kids.

This was a good thing to bring up.

I don't agree abortion is the answer to this however. More classes in school, better sex education, ALONG with the moral edge of that sexual education.

(Or heck, maybe licenses for some people in order to breed).

time to lighten the mood a bit

Originally Posted by pixiedustboo

I don't agree abortion is the answer to this however. More classes in school, better sex education, ALONG with the moral edge of that sexual education.

I have taken such classes and can vouch that the majority slept through them. (Not me, though)

Originally Posted by The Other Guy

I have taken such classes and can vouch that the majority slept through them.

Well, there is part of the problem, glad to hear you were an exception.
Just imagine - a little care, a little self-discipline, a little unselfishness could save a baby from death. Worth the attempt, I reckon.

Mmmmm............................................. .........hand over mouth.