Originally Posted by 5.56X45mm

Well, each state might have a driver's test. But not all driver's test are the same. Your point is moot in that regard. You think that someone from a state with a CCW that has lower standards isn't right. Well, it happens all the time with driving.

My point isn't moot at all. Check out: DMV.Org

Standard requirements for obtaining a drivers license often include drivers education training, a written test and a driving test.

If you scroll down you will see all of the states and their requirements, the requirements for obtaining a DL are pretty standard across the board. Written, eyesight, signs and driving test.

Now, let's add in your point about how many bad drivers are on the road and they all pretty much go through the same requirements. Guns aren't much different than vehicles. The owner/operator needs to be familiar with the object and responsible for it and their actions using it.

In my opinion. No one should need a CCW. If they want to conceal carry, they can. If they want to open carry, they can. If they want to own a fully automatic, supressed ar-15 with a Beta-C drum. Sure why the hell not.

I'm fine with people wanting to carry. I've carried for years. However, I'm not fine with it being completely unregulated and neither is the Constitution.

Nothing I've proposed violates anyone's 2nd Amendment right, in fact, it holds pretty well on with what is written.

Anyone that would refuse to take a basic safety and proficiency course is suspect in my eyes. The same for anyone feeling background checks shouldn't be a necessity when they purchase a firearm.

So again, before I would ever support any bill making it legal to carry from state to state, all states would have to impliment some type of training/testing standards. If they did that, I'd be on board.

What I don't address, and what you may not think I recognize is the government's ability to abuse something like this. It's a Catch 22.

I am just glad I don't life there! What if you carry your hand cannon and you decide to have a beer or four? Crime might be down (although I hardly believe they became honest citizens... so where are they?) but I reckon accidental deaths and man slaughter-charges will soar.

Just curious 5.56, could I carry my assault rifle on my back while shopping in the mall? Or how does this work?

Originally Posted by Ted

I am just glad I don't life there! What if you carry your hand cannon and you decide to have a beer or four? Crime might be down (although I hardly believe they became honest citizens... so where are they?) but I reckon accidental deaths and man slaughter-charges will soar.

Just curious 5.56, could I carry my assault rifle on my back while shopping in the mall? Or how does this work?

Conceal carry is for handguns only and you can't get a permit if you've been convicted.

I have yet to see a bar that allows firearms, and people aren't generally dumb enough to ignore those signs. Chances are, if you see someone with a gun in a bar, he doesn't own it legally or have a permit to carry it.

Getting drunk doesn't make you a criminal, just because somebody is drunk and has a firearm, doesn't mean he is going to shoot someone. With or without a gun, if you're prone to being overly violent, you can kill someone.

CCW permits have been around for years so far, and manslaughter charges haven't soared yet.

And about the malls, every mall I have ever been in has a "no firerarms" policy as well.

Yes, but in Florida, those signs have no legal authority. You must be told in person that you cannot carry a concealed firearm.

And concealed is just that. NOT VISIBLE. I am for open carry, and open carry means that you can carry a rifle on your back.

It is illegel for someone to carry a firearm into a bar. And by Florida law, a bar is a place that makes 51% or more of it's profits by the selling and consumption of alcohol in it's structure. Now if it's a resturant that sells alcohol, you can still carry there. The only time you can open carry in Florida is if you are hunting, fishing, camping, place of work if allowed by employer, in your own home, or shooting at a shooting range or at a outdoor place that allows shooting like a state park or camp site.

I have open carry in Colorado. Cops there don't give a damn either. They've seen my toys and the only thing they have done is asked me how much it costs to build a AR-15 like mine.

Originally Posted by 5.56X45mm

It is illegel for someone to carry a firearm into a bar. And by Florida law, a bar is a place that makes 51% or more of it's profits by the selling and consumption of alcohol in it's structure. Now if it's a resturant that sells alcohol, you can still carry there. The only time you can open carry in Florida is if you are hunting, fishing, camping, place of work if allowed by employer, in your own home, or shooting at a shooting range or at a outdoor place that allows shooting like a state park or camp site.

I have open carry in Colorado. Cops there don't give a damn either. They've seen my toys and the only thing they have done is asked me how much it costs to build a AR-15 like mine.

NC has no state law against open carry. Other than in some of the larger cities, or any city that has a local law against it, local and fed government buildings, any priviate establishments that say no firearms, and on the Outerbanks, otherwise you can pretty much open carry wherever.

The CCW here is sort of a waste of money (and it is very expensive here) since open carry is allowed in so many places, especially if you live in a rural area.

Wow...... I am taken aback! But I see it doesn't worry you guys one bit, so it shouldn't bother me. I just have ample experience with people who have a temper. I just wouldn't like to see them armed, eventhough they haven't done anything irreparable yet....

Originally Posted by Ted

Wow...... I am taken aback! But I see it doesn't worry you guys one bit, so it shouldn't bother me. I just have ample experience with people who have a temper. I just wouldn't like to see them armed, eventhough they haven't done anything irreparable yet....

Just because someone has a bad temper, doesn't mean they are capable of murder. I work with lots of guys with bad tempers, not once have any gone off and shot someone in the face just because they pissed him off.

Most shootings are not from legally owned weapons, nor are they by citizens with carry permits.

In the US our biggest problems concerning firearms are from those that do not own them legally, but it's not a hot issue on the election platform, so politicians don't bother much.

It isn't as if everyone is walking around with a firearm, I would venture to say that most people that have permits or are in open carry states don't necessarily keep their gun on their person. I keep mine in my vehicle most of the time.

I am not sure of the state laws in LA or CO, heck even the city laws. I have open carried a .44 mag revolver. Never had anyone say anything to me. Of course I used a little common sense in where I went with it. Usually it was on my way to or back from hunting trips. I stopped by the store I frequent, and one the state cops were there and asked to see it. I made it safe and handed it over. He examined it, said it was real nice and told me to make sure not to go to any bars, schools, banks, etc with it and gave it back over.

What do you have? Is it a S&W Model 29?

Hate bust anyones bubble but I'm more concerned with Current LEO's and honorably retired LEO's being able to carry nationwide as provided for under the LEO Safety Act. But seems alot of the liberal agencies and cities are balking at this....so I don't hold out much hope for the civvie side.