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If Europe decides to arm China, this would be personally a very hard thing for me because once they do, those weapons can play a role against South Korea as well.
So that place that I have much attachment to would become my enemy. Life's a wh0re eh?
The case scenario in which China would go to war with American and South Korean troops is the one where North Korea falls and China wants to secure some Northern Korean highlands to help defend Beijing. Manchuria boasts no decent defensive points. The Chinese apparently are nervous about this. Arm them with sophisticated weapons and the eagerness to use arms in this scenario would be extremely high.
Come on Europe dammit. This is just getting silly.

yes but at the same time....after the US basically telling europe to go piss up a rope. how to you think a request that says..."no, please don't do bussiness with these people" will be recieved


i hope the EU is planning to fire up the rhetoric annon and blast it right back across the atlantic

When you say Europe, what countries are you talking about?
There have been reunions betewen europeans and chinesse politics concerning this issue?? I never heard of it...
If you are right, I think that it would be a big mistake of Europe. We have to remember what comunism did in Europe, and arming a potentional enemy is not very intelligent...

Looking from recent events, this is no surprise.

France and Germany both sold Iraq a fair share of weapons. You could also throw in Russia. When it came time to deal with Iraq, those same countries were dead set on "peace" after arming Iraq.

If Europe goes ahead and arms China, what is going to happen if/when there is some kind of international conflict with China? Will Europe be able to see through the mountains of money to do the right thing? Selling weapons to people half way around the world is a common practice. The US is quite guilty of that practice. When it comes to Afganistan and Iraq, we have had to fight against our own weapons. I also saw French, Russian and German weapons while I was in Iraq. The US military has every right to be pissed off that the EU is going through with this.

Let's not forget about those countries who feel influenced by China's military might.

Originally Posted by chewie_nz

yes but at the same time....after the US basically telling europe to go piss up a rope. how to you think a request that says..."no, please don't do bussiness with these people" will be recieved


i hope the EU is planning to fire up the rhetoric annon and blast it right back across the atlantic

Man, I don't think you get it. You can draw a great big nuke bull's eye on your butt too when the metal starts flying and Continents start dying.

Originally Posted by Doody

Looking from recent events, this is no surprise.

France and Germany both sold Iraq a fair share of weapons. You could also throw in Russia. When it came time to deal with Iraq, those same countries were dead set on "peace" after arming Iraq.

If Europe goes ahead and arms China, what is going to happen if/when there is some kind of international conflict with China? Will Europe be able to see through the mountains of money to do the right thing? Selling weapons to people half way around the world is a common practice. The US is quite guilty of that practice. When it comes to Afganistan and Iraq, we have had to fight against our own weapons. I also saw French, Russian and German weapons while I was in Iraq. The US military has every right to be pissed off that the EU is going through with this.

Let's not forget about those countries who feel influenced by China's military might.

It's all about the Euro's.

It is very funny to see SK, US, and Japan are the only positive contributors in Asia while Chinese is a bad guy and bent on destroying Asian cultures.

Also, is there a true friendship when dealing with global ploitics or merely strategic values. If all for strategic values, then I guess everyone (allies of some sort) is wearing a cloak with a knife, Sux.

lol, have u heard of what the chinese high level diplomat have to say when he was asked about the eu arms ban??

he said: " who said we will buy euro weapons??"

Originally Posted by staurofilakes

When you say Europe, what countries are you talking about?
There have been reunions betewen europeans and chinesse politics concerning this issue?? I never heard of it...
If you are right, I think that it would be a big mistake of Europe. We have to remember what comunism did in Europe, and arming a potentional enemy is not very intelligent...

I think the main characters in this are France and Germany.
Usually when the two are involved the label goes "Europe." After all they are the biggest economies on continental Western Europe.

Sales to China will only further degrade relations with the US and also with friendly East Asian countries such as South Korea, Japan, Taiwan and even upset Southeast Asia to a degree. It can really do no good for Europe as a whole. I think it will be a big mistake. If China can reach its potential as a super power, it's not just America that will be under threat. Europe is likely to be dragged into this too.
Most people who understand economics (not really me but I know several including a head of a bank office) that tell me that looking at figures now, Chinese Hegemony is a real possibility.

Originally Posted by Boobies

It is very funny to see SK, US, and Japan are the only positive contributors in Asia while Chinese is a bad guy and bent on destroying Asian cultures.

Also, is there a true friendship when dealing with global ploitics or merely strategic values. If all for strategic values, then I guess everyone (allies of some sort) is wearing a cloak with a knife, Sux.

No one said they're bent on destroying Asian Cultures.
But these are not a fair and just lot. Their record against their own people is just apalling and history has taught us a strong China is a real pain, and unlike Japan, China never learned... in fact, is back with a sort of vengeance. Makes it even more of a problem.
There are some true friendships, though rare. Most of it is strategic value, but remember that the things it protect have real and dear value and meaning.
Not everyone's wearing a cloke with a knife. Because if one guy stabs the other, he too will die.

Originally Posted by Mech

lol, have u heard of what the chinese high level diplomat have to say when he was asked about the eu arms ban??

he said: " who said we will buy euro weapons??"

If it's available, you'll buy it. The diplomat's just trying to be a smart bargainer.

Originally Posted by Doody

Looking from recent events, this is no surprise.

France and Germany both sold Iraq a fair share of weapons. You could also throw in Russia. When it came time to deal with Iraq, those same countries were dead set on "peace" after arming Iraq.

If Europe goes ahead and arms China, what is going to happen if/when there is some kind of international conflict with China? Will Europe be able to see through the mountains of money to do the right thing? Selling weapons to people half way around the world is a common practice. The US is quite guilty of that practice. When it comes to Afganistan and Iraq, we have had to fight against our own weapons. I also saw French, Russian and German weapons while I was in Iraq. The US military has every right to be pissed off that the EU is going through with this.

Let's not forget about those countries who feel influenced by China's military might.

The US armed the Taliban too, its not all Europe's fault

USA supplied sophisticated weapons to the Taliban when Russia invaded Afghanistan, did you forget that ?