Topic: Replacing the M-14, M-16, M-4, XM-8 et al 4

SHERMAN · July 6th, 2005

The problem was not the M1 Garand. It was the M1 Carabine. They do not use the same 7.62 round. The Carabine is much less powerfull and the round is not well shaped for penetration.

03USMC · July 6th, 2005

It wasn't the M1 Garand. It was the M1 Carbine firing the .30 caliber US Carbine round which was pretty close to being nothing more than a 32 Magnum. Troops in the ETO during WWII had the same problem engaging German troops in Winter Uniforms.

Most modern centerfire rifle cartridges loaded to modern standards will penetrate most body armor.

SHERMAN · July 6th, 2005

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body armor is better at stopping bullets than chinese winter clothing.

You mind if i make that my sig...Tha is so funny for some reason...

Whispering Death · July 6th, 2005

ha ha ha, yeah, I don't know why that's funny taken out of context either.

Alright, well I've got a better idea of bullet physics now, thanks guys. I had no clue that the M1 Carbine was so different from the M1 Garand, who was the idiot that gave them both the 'M1' designation?

SHERMAN · July 6th, 2005

Yep...And the M1 Thompson SMG, If im not mistaken....

FO Seaman · July 7th, 2005

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Originally Posted by Whispering Death

ha ha ha, yeah, I don't know why that's funny taken out of context either.

Alright, well I've got a better idea of bullet physics now, thanks guys. I had no clue that the M1 Carbine was so different from the M1 Garand, who was the idiot that gave them both the 'M1' designation?

M1 Garand

M1 Carbine

30 M1 carbine cartridge (left) shown next to 7.62x39mm Russian (center) and 5.56mm NATO (.223 Rem, right)

M1 Thompson

One of three models: M1921, M1928, and M1

got the pic from http://world.guns.ru

c/Commander · July 7th, 2005

Ehhhh...there's no image there.

bushpig1998 · July 7th, 2005

hehehe the .30 M1 carbine had about the same ballistics as the 7.62x25 Tokarev! Crazy....

ONERING · July 14th, 2005

First off, M16 isn't exactly "American Made" As you people know, it was first made in belgium. Even the beretta pistol is Italian. I've never seen a REAL ORIGINAL AMERICAN MADE assault rifle, but whats a REAL AMERICAN rifle is the M14.

Oh yah the m14, no better piece of crap to have. Mean recoil, one-hit kill.

03USMC · July 14th, 2005

M-16 was designed by Eugene Stoner at Armalite Division of Fairchild Aircraft. Manufactured by Armalite and Colt for the US Goverment. All in the US.

Maybe your thinking about the M249 Squad Automatic Weapon manufactured by FN in Belgium.

July 6th, 2005	Post 32
03USMC Milforum Moderator Gear	It wasn't the M1 Garand. It was the M1 Carbine firing the .30 caliber US Carbine round which was pretty close to being nothing more than a 32 Magnum. Troops in the ETO during WWII had the same problem engaging German troops in Winter Uniforms. Most modern centerfire rifle cartridges loaded to modern standards will penetrate most body armor. __________________ *Sgt. Rafael Peralta ,United States Marine Corps* *Company A, 1st Bn, 3rd Marine Regt, 3rd Marine Divison* *We will never forget your valor and sacrifice.* *Semper Fi !*

July 7th, 2005	Post 37
c/Commander Primus Pilus Gear	Ehhhh...there's no image there. __________________ Midshipman 3/c, USNR

July 7th, 2005	Post 38
bushpig1998 Optio	hehehe the .30 M1 carbine had about the same ballistics as the 7.62x25 Tokarev! Crazy.... __________________ \"...but Napoleon and all his veterans have never treated us so roughly as these hard-bitten farmers with their ancient theology and their inconveniently modern rifles.\"-Sir Arthur Conan Doyle on the Boer. www.fambook.com

July 14th, 2005	Post 39
ONERING Milites Gregarius	First off, M16 isn't exactly "American Made" As you people know, it was first made in belgium. Even the beretta pistol is Italian. I've never seen a REAL ORIGINAL AMERICAN MADE assault rifle, but whats a REAL AMERICAN rifle is the M14. Oh yah the m14, no better piece of crap to have. Mean recoil, one-hit kill. __________________ http://www.echonews.com/905/images/george_bush_ring.jpg Frodo has failed, Bush has the Ring Doomed We Are!!! Doomed!!!!!!!!!

July 6th, 2005	Post 31
SHERMAN Milforum Moderator Gear	The problem was not the M1 Garand. It was the M1 Carabine. They do not use the same 7.62 round. The Carabine is much less powerfull and the round is not well shaped for penetration.

July 6th, 2005	Post 34
Whispering Death Tribuni Angusticlavii Gear	ha ha ha, yeah, I don't know why that's funny taken out of context either. Alright, well I've got a better idea of bullet physics now, thanks guys. I had no clue that the M1 Carbine was so different from the M1 Garand, who was the idiot that gave them both the 'M1' designation?

July 6th, 2005	Post 35
SHERMAN Milforum Moderator Gear	Yep...And the M1 Thompson SMG, If im not mistaken....

July 14th, 2005	Post 40
03USMC Milforum Moderator Gear	M-16 was designed by Eugene Stoner at Armalite Division of Fairchild Aircraft. Manufactured by Armalite and Colt for the US Goverment. All in the US. Maybe your thinking about the M249 Squad Automatic Weapon manufactured by FN in Belgium.