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| Centurion | Post; Remember the 90th Anniversary of the SommeToday, July 1st 2006 is the 90th anniversary of the Battle of the Somme, the worst day in British Military History. Out of the 120 000 men who attacked on that day half of them became casualties, and 20 000 were killed, the heaviest loss in a single day of any army in that war. British casualties that day alone exceeded that of the Crimea, Boer and Korean war combined, yet Haig said that he did not consider the casualties high considering the numbers employed. Here are a few questions which come to mind:
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| Tribuni Angusticlavii | I went to the somme region a couple of years ago and it's very sad seeing so many graves at Tyne Cot, but it was the names on the menin gate and at thiepval, 50,000 at each of them, that were missing that struck home the carnage.
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| Chief Engineer ![]() | May they all rest in peace.
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| Tribuni Angusticlavii | The Somme was supposed to be a joint enterprise along with the French, in the finish we had to do it on our own because the French had there own Somme taking place just a few miles away at Verdun. The attacks were kept going far longer than you would expect to relieve the pressure at Verdun. It was the German tactic to grind the French down by attacking in the Verdun sector making the French feed endless troops into the Battle to try and take back this bit ground. Now when you think that the French lost nearly a million men at Verdun and the whole French Army came close to mutiny you can see why Britain had to make this sacrifice.
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| Centurion | There is a drama-documentary on BBC1 at 8pm which may address some of these issues. Yes, this was simply the first day of a larger battle which lasted until November of that year. Indeed also don't forget the sacrifices of the commonwealth and French forces which took part either directly or by supporting the battle in other ways. Last edited by perseus; July 2nd, 2006 at 11:16. |
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I just have a hard time taking any view that gives Falkenhayn's strategy even the smallest credit. Permit me, please, to hypothesize: Falkenhayn adopted attrition because (a) the elitist German officer corps was not adverse to sacrificing the lives of workers and (b) it seemed at least a logical way to surmount the tactical problems on the western front. Haig probably adopted attrition for the exact same reasons. Therefore, class consciousness lay partly behind the strategy of attrition. [According to Wikipedia, by the way, Churchill held Falkenhayn to have been the "ablest" German general of the war.] | |
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| Centurion | The documentary suggested that the Somme was actually a veiled victory for the British after all. This was partly due to the effect of taking the strain off the French at Verdun as you both rightly mention, but also as a means of learning new tactics such as the moving artillery barrage and moving commanders nearer the front which had some measure of success towards the end. This raises the question why did Passchendale prove such a disaster a year later? Interestingly the French alliance may have been partly responsible for this as well since the British were concerned about France agreeing terms with Germany. True the ground conditions were worse due to the mud, but the Germans also learned used new tactics such as retiring beyond the barrage, then firing on the infantry whilst trying to advance across the mud. Thy also learned how to interrupt infantry attacks by artillery and gas more effectively. |
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