But we've moved on since.

Originally Posted by the_13th_redneck

But we've moved on since.

Well, near as I can tell the Jews haven't.... as those of Jewish faith are still working off of the old playbook in regard to the Christian religion, even though the old laws and punishments for such infractions are no longer used, but, regardless, it is still commanded that the Jews follow them, and enforce infractions as laid down in law with corresponding punishments for such, as there has been no official change from on high that I know of, but I'm not Jewish so I may have not gotten the memo.
So, in the end the Jews just choose on their own to be disobedient.

Who knows, perhaps in a few hundred years the Muslims will do the same.... they are after all the fairly new kids on the block as far as major Religions of the World go, so, maybe they just need to learn how to pick and choose which commands to follow, and, which ones not to follow, thus becoming more like everyone else.

Yes and I'm sure a little ass woopin' will be the surefire thing to educate them about what isn't appropriate.

Originally Posted by the_13th_redneck

Yes and I'm sure a little ass woopin' will be the surefire thing to educate them about what isn't appropriate.

Well, never let it be said that I'm not for a Religious War, if need be..... I'm Catholic, one Billion plus adherents, and, I'm thinking I like our odds..... but, Holy Church has been known to go after and cause harm to all sorts of non-Catholics, the Jews and Prots come to mind, so, it maybe hard to turn the switch off once the Holy Roman instrument of Gods Wrath on this Earth gets going (again).

Originally Posted by Gator

So, in the end the Jews just choose on their own to be disobedient.

Let's not confuse the Jews, and the Zionists here. Even in Israel, it appears that the divide between these two groups is widening. Many Jews are seeing the similarities between the way the Jews were treated by the NAZIs in the early 1930s and the way they are treating the Palestinians (and Arabs generally).

Originally Posted by the_13th_redneck

But we've moved on since.

Are you sure you have all moved on though?



Seems to me this bunch of nutjobs have a completely different interpretation of things.

Originally Posted by bulldogg

Inferno, IF you want to discuss the issue we can discuss it. I respectfully ask you quit jumping the ****ing gun and putting words into my mouth because you THINK you know where I am going with something. You don't, you're very off the mark, again. Now, one last time, do you wish to engage in an adult conversation or shall we stick to glib remarks and assumption?

first of all it was not my intention to put words in your mouth, and i guess what may have set me off it the line you seemed to be pursuing is one that a lot of racist groups in australasia are quite keen on trotting out to back up their views. (not that i am trying to suggest that you are one of them)

secondly, i completely understand being in the position where people make assumptions about your position...it's something that i have become used to at the forum.

Originally Posted by bulldogg

Senojekips, thanks for your response. I do not wish to argue religion with you. I find it is one of the things which defies logic by the very definitions of logic and of religion. However, I would argue that for the masses of humanity on this planet, religion does more harm than good.

I also would argue that the origins of values is not as important as the existance and implementation of them. And that in order to gain acceptance and to foment people adhering to values and not resorting to purely selfish behaviour there must be a system which applies to people who are limited in intellect, for whatever reason, as they need a framework and that religion in its myriad of forms provides this. When dealing with the average hooplehead and attempting to explain to them why one should not kill I would argue that for most the idea of going to hell is a far better motivator than "because". And that laws miss the mark when attempting to guide human behaviour. My country is enamoured with the concept of legislating morality and I would argue is horribly inept at it. It is better for someone to follow a system of virtue ethics and do the right thing for the sake of doing the right thing than to be mindlessly following a set of rules or laws that prohibit the behaviour because in the latter situation if the person deduces there is a high likelyhood of NOT getting caught they will not follow the rule/law.

No system is without flaw but the lack of any system for implementing widespread acceptance and adherence to values of right and wrong behaviour is worse than any religious faux pas one might care to point out.

Which brings me to my problem with Islam. Their system of right and wrong explicitly calls for murder, condones rape and is operating at a level of pre-medival consciousness.

thirdly, i actually cant fault you for what you have said above.

Originally Posted by MontyB

Are you sure you have all moved on though?



Seems to me this bunch of nutjobs have a completely different interpretation of things.

uck, westboro baptists im guessing? probably the most vile group of utter retards i could ever imagine

Originally Posted by Infern0

uck, westboro baptists im guessing? probably the most vile group of utter retards i could ever imagine

Exactly but the question is how is this considered:


Terrorism and brainwashing and indicative of a religion of war.

yet this:


Is just a bunch of warped individuals and not indicative of a peaceful religion as a whole?

I'm staying out of this one, simply because i have too much to say. I will make this point regarding Bull Dog's original post. When you are finished with this argument, consider this. The ideology in question is already on your case, and coming for you. You will fight as free men or become slaves. It is here, at your door. Now is the time, don't argue too long, as we in England are doing. Our country is slipping from us, through our weak underbelly government.

Like you guys, I love peace and freedom - it is worth fighting for. Finished on this, folks.


Command the future, conquer the past.

Ask yourself:

Are those nutjob-christians holding up those banner willing to kill us and murder the rest if we dont convert to their version of christianity?