actually, in a way it does make sense. Ever tried translating spanish?

The religion in and of itself is not violent, but its the religious text that mix with muslim culture and laws that makes it violent..
I mean: just recently in the news a man was considered put to death because he converted to hinduism. I don´t remember the story, but that was the main point.

But then again people who are willing to strap bombs around their childrens chests and send them off to blow up subwaystations and such has to have atleast one screw loose.....
F KERS!

Most translated texts are translated from incorrect texts. (From a Quran that was originally even in Arabic that was changed. Examples are Wahabism, Shiite's, Sufi's, etc) Also. This is another problem. When you group ALL these sects into the majority sunnis. The sects are those that you find that believe that all should die.

Heck, the Ayatollah (In arabic these means, 'Grace of God') during the war in Iran versus Iraq in the 80's said to his people.. "If you fight the Iraqi's and die, I will grant you a pass to heaven." And you know what happened? Many went and died against Saddam's military which was better equiped.

So yes, if you wanna know the TRUE Quran, PM me and I can direct you to some sites run by AICP. (AICP= An organization based in Lebanon to teach people about Islam. The main mosque in America is the one I go to here in Philadelphia)

How about this? How about no person on this earth try to convert anyone else who practices his own religion without bothering or judging anyone else. As long as a religion adheres to peace on earth, good will to all, murder is punishable by death, don't steal, and just generally adhere to the laws of the land and what is acceptable to society as a whole, prosperity will follow and everyone will be rewarded by the amount of effort they expend to better themselves and their families. There will always be the knuckle draggers that the countries of the world will have to confront because they want what someone else has without working for it or they think only they are destined to have it.

Originally Posted by Missileer

How about this? How about no person on this earth try to convert anyone else who practices his own religion without bothering or judging anyone else. As long as a religion adheres to peace on earth, good will to all, murder is punishable by death, don't steal, and just generally adhere to the laws of the land and what is acceptable to society as a whole, prosperity will follow and everyone will be rewarded by the amount of effort they expend to better themselves and their families. There will always be the knuckle draggers that the countries of the world will have to confront because they want what someone else has without working for it or they think only they are destined to have it.

We tried that...They were called "utopias" and they didn't last long at all. People will always disagree.Always.We would like to think that everyone can adhere to the same laws and common courtesies, but thats just not happening.


Deerslayer, Ive translated Spanish before, sure the words are a little mixed up, like the negatives, but you can still understand what the person is saying...

Good point on utopias, Henderson. Sooner or later, somebody's going to take control of a peaceful little utopia. It's the way the world works.

Spanish was just an example, albeit a bad one, and doesn't quite do justice to the situation. If you want something a little more extreme, missionaries in Africa, unaware of the nuances of the languages, had converts singing hymns like "The Old Rugged Cross", and other, not-so-soul-stirring things such as "There is no egg on the bicycle."

Even if no one takes control, and we have this little "communist" thing goin on, where everyone VOLUNTAIRILY shares everything and the gov't doesnt interfere...Someone will want more of something for him/herself...Humans are greedy,selfish, and jealous...That's what made the utopias of the past fail. If we can get past those bad habits, we would be fine, and there would be no need for any weapons, home security devices, or anything. I always think that the closest thing we have to utopias was in the simpler times out in the country...Where people would just walk in your front door and have a sit down, and the people in the house wouldnt have to worry about the other person stealing something or anything like that. I sometimes think I was born in the wrong time because I let my friends do that all the time...They just hop through the open window. I wish we could still have that without having to worry about the person coming in stealing something or killing someone.

The thing is, utopias actually do work...






for about five minutes, or until someone comes along and fills hte power vaccuum. You have to have a capable governing body, or your state is screwed. Period. Mob rule, social anarchy, the works. Read Julius Caesar and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Everyone take a close look at my post. Now replace "on this earth" with "in this country."

Recognize the place I just described? Come on use some of those rusty brain cells, read and think.

Now class, where am I describing?

Still no answers? Hint: It has nothing whatsoever to do with utopia.

America- or any well-developed country with a fair societal base. I was just contesting Henderson, didn't read your post. Sorry