Do you believe that Iraq is second Vietnam for USA?
If you belive, why?

I think the Iraq is a second Vietnam for USA not the Iran, not yet.
In my opinion the US government is playing worldpolice and everybody who don't want the US-way is a target for a pre-emptive strike in the name of the whole world.

[irony] Yes I know that I'm not right my US-friends [/ironyoff]


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Originally Posted by oRTouCH

Do you believe that Iran is second Vietnam for USA?
If you belive, why?

uhhhh do you want to know if Iraq is second vietnam or Iran?

Iraq follows the same historical template for the Vietnam war. In a nutshell: Accomplish primary military goals, fail the political aspect and bungle the rebuilding phase. By all accounts, our soldiers have acted admirably. It's the stuff on the home front prior to invasion that really screwed us over.

Sorry I mean Iraq and I edit my message.

Iraq is NOT a second Vietnam (YET!).

It may very well become one though ... IF ... our politicians and military leaders don't get their shiite in one sock by pulling their heads out of their arses and realise that we are no longer involved a fight to win a military victory - it has become a war to accomplish a political victory. For the US to end up being the victor in this struggle, Iraq MUST be given the necessary tools to determine their own destiny. That means that it is necessary for Iraq to have a viable force that can protect their borders from foreign incursion and a viable police force to insure the safety of their citizens on their own city streets. The rest of the infrastructure repair, will very easily follow the accomplishment of these first two goals.

When we leave Iraq - IF their Army and their Police forces are able to offer protection to the citizenry, then it will be a win in the Americans favor.

However - if we leave Iraq with the country in a state of anarchy - it would be another Vietnam (Something the United States can NOT afford)..

Terrorism in iraq doesn't exist,why?
I think because some Middle Eastern nations hope this situation.
For Iran
Iraq had been the worst enemy of Iran.
So ,Iran never want iraq to be strong as saddam era.
And for many islamic nations,people hating america is good for privilege　to avoid being criticised as they monopolize rich of oil.
Ironically,Internet take a part of yellow paper this day.
Bias make people naiveness as racism,fasism, ethnic cleansing　showed.
Anti american people+weapons made in Iran=Terrorists.

How to end this war?
In near future,more mercenaries will take many parts of security to avoid death of american soldiers.
Eventually,terrorists might be tired with war and peace might come suddenly・・・・・・・・・・・・

Originally Posted by sandy

Terrorism in iraq doesn't exist,why?
I think because some Middle Eastern nations hope this situation.
For Iran
Iraq had been the worst enemy of Iran.
So ,Iran never want iraq to be strong as saddam era.
And for many islamic nations,people hating america is good for privilege　to avoid being criticised as they monopolize rich of oil.
Ironically,Internet take a part of yellow paper this day.
Bias make people naiveness as racism,fasism, ethnic cleansing　showed.
Anti american people+weapons made in Iran=Terrorists.

How to end this war?
In near future,more mercenaries will take many parts of security to avoid death of american soldiers.
Eventually,terrorists might be tired with war and peace might come suddenly・・・・・・・・・・・・

I don't know about the other members on this forum ... but ...

What the h*ll are you talking about - what you have posted makes no sense to me.

If you are having trouble with your English, get some help. For sure I have no idea what you are trying to say.

He said, that the Iraq never would be a state with good working forces like police and army because there are to many people who hate the US and I think he is right.
The people in middle east are people who want to take their own decisions and control their lifes by own way.
Perhaps not every human want to life the US-way, but that's what the US don't want to see. In her own opinion the US think, they are the worldpolice who must help everybody and protect the world of the bad guys. I don't think that the humans in middle east see it like the US, I think they want to do it on her own way without the US and because of this reasons Iraq is a second Vietnam...

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In other words,this war may continue for decadeds if someone hope.