About Is this a real Rommel quote?
|February 20th, 2006||#1|
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Is this a real Rommel quote? info
Edited - speeling
What it is to be Australian - - "Being Australian is about driving in a Japanese car to an Irish pub for a Belgian beer, then travelling home, grabbing an Indian curry or a Turkish kebab on the way, to sit on Malaysian furniture and watch American shows on a Chinese TV. And the most Australian thing of all - Suspicion of anything foreign”
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|February 20th, 2006||#2|
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Hm, the only reference I can find to that quote are a few forum signatures, and that's not the most reliable "proof of authenticity"
The closest I've come is this quote from the book "The Trail of the Fox" by David Irving
|February 20th, 2006||#3|
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Yeah i've tried looking everywhere i can think but i can't find anything other then peoples signatures. Comparing this to other Rommel quotes it dosn't exactly 'sound' like him either if you get my drift.
|February 21st, 2006||#4|
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it does sound like him though. but i doubt he would say something like this when he knew that his own troops were one of if not, the, best trained troops. could go either way if u ask me
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|February 21st, 2006||#5|
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If I had to make a guess, I believe someone else came up with a Rommelesqe quote, paraphrased from the many quotes Rommel supposedly made during the war. They then attributed the quote to Rommel and nobody called them on it.
Last edited by Chief Bones; February 21st, 2006 at 17:17..
|November 17th, 2008||#7|
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I have heard this quote before, while I cant verify this as a true account one that is by the historian of the Afrika Korp argued that the Australian 9th Division was " the first good enemy that the Germans had fought at length since the invasion of Poland. " and that fighting such a capable opponent at Tobruk did much to create espiit de corp in the Germans there.
Early in the seige, Rommel desribed the Australians as " fighting magnificently and showing remarkable tenacity"
In a well known passage he described a group of fifty Australian prisoners as "immensly big and powerful men. who without question represented the elite formation of the British Empire a fact that was also evident in battle"
Interesting to note is that Rommels biogapher said that while the desert fox rated individual Australian fighters highly he considered them "inclined to get out of hand"
So would he have wanted two whole divisions that were "incline to get out of hand" I think so.
|November 17th, 2008||#8|
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To be honest I think a lot of these quotes are a mixture of exaggerated statements and wishful thinking that have become even more influential because of the somewhat "romantic" image history has painted of Rommel, I dare say that every nation that faced Rommel's Afrika Korps can has similar Rommel quotes about their own troops.
For example one of the quotes we hear is "If I had to take hell, I would use the Australians to take it and the New Zealanders to hold it." but in reality there is no reliable way of proving he ever said it and it is more likely it is just a modified version of someone elses quote that has become an urban legend.
I have little doubt Rommel had opinions of the troops he encountered and in some cases it would have been favourable opinion but I have strong doubts that he would have let those opinions become public in such flowery prose as it would have had a detrimental effect on his own troops, I think it more likely he would have said "those guys are pretty good I wonder if we could swap them for the Italians" and through the years it developed into its current form through "Chinese whispers".
We are more often treacherous through weakness than through calculation. ~Francois De La Rochefoucauld
|April 30th, 2009||#9|
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In answer to your question, I'm sure that it is. "Chinese Whispers" have a way of distorting quotes over a period of time. I have no way of proving it, but I get an indication, from your quote. I have heard that one before using the same words. The only difference being that he said they were not a "British Division."
From what I have read of the man, he was very intelligent and methodical in his dealings. He was called the "Desert Fox" for good reason, as he was the only one smart enough to know the difference between the British and the Aussies and therefore didn't take them lightly.
As far as not finding anything to say that he said this on the net goes. Well...what if you can't; does that mean he didn't say it?
People will always distort or forget things and then they become documented facts. I have lived long enough to see this happen a few times already.