Originally Posted by Cadet Seaman

The Leo's design is simular to the M1's. Considering that both tanks are the predecessors of the failed MBT 70. A tank the US and Germany built together. So they are some what equal on some levels.

Re-built, uparmored, and redesigned M1's.

Argh this is really long quote.

And yes i know about MBT 70, looked alot like todays tanks

The tanks are usually repaired. Never seen a Leo tank that is not operational and cant be fixed. But every model of the Leo 2 can be updated (atleast from A4, not sure of A1 - A3) to the latest model, currently the Leo 2 A6EX.

I don't see the benefit to take the engine and a few other things and then building a new one unless its not repairable.

And as Shadowalker said, that would be true

EDIT: cleaned the quote area

Originally Posted by Cadet Seaman

I've played against Leo 2A4's on Steel Beasts US Army simulator and the Leo's turret pops off when its hit, (most likey ammo cooking off) and the Leo's first APFSDS-T rounds only damagea the M1A1's GPS and the TIS, while the M1A1's takes out the whole Leo, but thats from a virtual prespective.

The 2A4 is protected against HEAT rounds, not APFSDS.

The damage and armor models in Steel Beasts aren't exactly the most accuate.

I don' t know much about tanks. We don't have a use for them here.

I guess a fast moving tank is better, because you never know when you have to make a quick gettaway.

Watched a '10 Greatest Ever Tanks" show broadcast on Channel 5 in the UK. Not sure what research was conducted or who was truly consulted but makes for an interesting list with some odd choices.

10 - Sherman
09 - Sheridan
08 - Panther
07 - T-72
06 - S-Tank
05 - Centurion
04 - Merkava
03 - T-34
02 - Abrams
01 - Leopard 2

Interesting, didnt get to see the program due to work, would of thought the T-34 would be up number 1, centurion a bit higher possibly.

Originally Posted by Doppleganger

Watched a '10 Greatest Ever Tanks" show broadcast on Channel 5 in the UK. Not sure what research was conducted or who was truly consulted but makes for an interesting list with some odd choices.

10 - Sherman
09 - Sheridan
08 - Panther
07 - T-72
06 - S-Tank
05 - Centurion
04 - Merkava
03 - T-34
02 - Abrams
01 - Leopard 2

Which Abrams? M1, M1A1, M1A1-D,M1A2 SEP?

Originally Posted by Cadet Seaman

Which Abrams? M1, M1A1, M1A1-D,M1A2 SEP?

Didn't gave any variants for any of the tanks. Rated the Leo 2 as the best because it satisfied best the 3 classic ratings for a tank and because of its modular design which ensured easy component diagnosis and replacement. I'm not sure which M1 variant was mainly shown but it looked like either the A5 or A6 Leo variant.

IMO it's not that useful to have an overall list like this and would be more comparative to have a 'best tank of an era' listing instead.

I agree. It's really better to divide them o eras. also note that modern tanks are almost impossible to rate since its all classified...

Yes I must agree. The base line M1 was built the same time as the T-72 while the A1 was built at the time of the T-80 and the A2 built at the same time as the T-90.

[quote="Doppleganger"][quote="Cadet Seaman"]

Originally Posted by Doppleganger

Watched a '10 Greatest Ever Tanks" show broadcast on Channel 5 in the UK. Not sure what research was conducted or who was truly consulted but makes for an interesting list with some odd choices.

10 - Sherman
09 - Sheridan
08 - Panther
07 - T-72
06 - S-Tank
05 - Centurion
04 - Merkava
03 - T-34
02 - Abrams
01 - Leopard 2.

i think it is T-34 ranked the top in that show , as it gave the greatest impact in history compare to all other tanks.