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March 26th, 2009   Post 21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MontyB
I imagine most of her heavy ammunition was expended in the last days of the war supporting German troops in East Prussia and covering the withdrawal of troops and civilians to the west (roughly 2 million troops and civilians were evacuated from the area between January 1945 and May 1945 and there are numerous accounts of the ships activities during this time including pictures of its main guns in action).

What I would suspect was removed from the ship once it docked was was the lighter ammunition such as AA rounds and the torpedoes.

Tend to agree with this. Probably some AA rounds or secondary battery rounds.

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Originally Posted by NASAAN101
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look, she didnt have any shells, all she could do floorit and hop she can out run them. BUt if she did have shell you better watch it, even with no shells she can still bite..
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Without shells her only hope is to run. She won't run long, she has no where to run to no oilers or colliers no replenishment vessels and no screening vessels. She surrenders, scuttles or she attempts to ram the vessels pursuing.

In all scenerios she doesn't survive. Surrender is what has to happen.
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March 27th, 2009   Post 22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LeEnfield
Well she did not escape the Atom bomb that was dropped on her.

Actually it did.
The Prinz Eugen was only slight damaged in the Bikini Atoll tests and was taken to Kwajalein Atoll where it was anchored until it sank at the end of 1946.
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March 27th, 2009   Post 23
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guys
Without shells her only hope is to run. She won't run long, she has no where to run to no oilers or colliers no replenishment vessels and no screening vessels. She surrenders, scuttles or she attempts to ram the vessels pursuing. ok lets say she rams all for she, can they bring there for big battlehships in this here: let the four battlesips trap her then let the destroyer go in and get a tow line on her then one of the destroyers, can bring her out then pass the tow line to one of the battleships, then let other three BB keep in then the group by have two on each beam of her then one behind her.. that just what i'm trying to day. but what do you thing. but over all what do you thing, is she dead meat or dog food?nlet just atay on this idea ok for a while ok.
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March 27th, 2009   Post 24
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A vessel of that size cannot turn on a dime. She'd have to turn and then set course at her intended target and get up steam. In that time the vessels who were the intended target would take evasive action. They would postion themselves to engage and most probably in the case of destroyers put fans of torpedos out.

Prinz Eugen cannot take the evasive actions that would necessary because she is intending to ram. She's ethier crippled or mortally wounded and put out of her misery.
 
March 27th, 2009   Post 25
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Yep, he/she is a dead-in-the-water duck.
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March 27th, 2009   Post 26
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The most serious damage the Prinz Eugen suffered in WW2 was in 1942 when she was hit by a single torpedo from a British submarine,. This caused exactly the same type of stern/steering failure as the Bismarck suffered. Fortunately for her crew she was being escorted by a number of other vessels, and they were able to tow her into port.
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March 27th, 2009   Post 27
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guys,
I asked thison one of my other forums: let the four battlesips trap her in one of the fjord in norway if she was able to get in to the north sea, then let the destroyer go in and get a tow line on her then one of the destroyers, can bring her out then pass the tow line to one of the battleships(KGV), then with the other three BB in then the group, two on each beam of her then one behind her.. that way if she trys anything shed thing twice about, but what do you thing, is she dead meat or dog food?
Nikki

Last edited by NASAAN101; March 27th, 2009 at 18:01..
 
March 27th, 2009   Post 28
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If she is not surrendering why hazard vessels to attempt to take her under tow? Hazarding his vessel is a career death knell for a skipper in any navy.

Not surrendering sink her. It's more prudent.
 
March 27th, 2009   Post 29
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Guys
Not if they went her intacted! that my point! my point im not putting in here is they agreed to hand her to the US, ao if need to add WAshington in the mix her. so you have KGV, Nelson, POD, Rondey, Washing and the two DD's and Dido and Devonshire. what then?
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March 27th, 2009   Post 30
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The question being at this point in the war why would they want or need her intact to the point of hazarding vessels?

Bringing the Battle Wagons into play simplifies matters for the allies. They request the surrender she refuses. The allies advise the Capt. of Prinz Eugen to abandon ship within a certain time limit. The Battle Wagons stand off and hammer her to scrap metal with their main batteries.

There is no feasible reason to take her intact while hazarding captial ships or escort vessels.
 



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