Hoo-ah! Besides the US is not a democracy, we're a republic with an elitist system that chooses the President called the electoral college. The popular vote is worthless and does NOT matter. Sorry but the founding fathers believed the common man to be too ignorant to know what was best for him in issues of governance but also recognised that owing to the arguments they laid forth as reason for the revolution that they still had to provide at least the appearance to the common man that he had some say. And voile, I give you the United States of America. Where the individuality of each and every man is treasured and protected even from himself.

I can see Ill be argued against no matter what.considering that the popular vote being useless is what i meant by US voting...adios muchachos.

Sorry Spock its nothing personal but it might help to say what you mean directly.

I don't fully agree with you there. Republic, instead of democracy, was the name the Fathers gave to the American system only because back then "democracy" referred to pure democracies (not parliamentary systems, but systems where everyone had a say in person). "Republic" would mean representative systems. In the rest of the world though the meaning of the term evolved and today's liberaldemocracies are what the Fathers would mean by "Republics". From this point of view, the US is not different than Italy is. I know about the electoral college (Bush had less votes than Gore in 2000 but still won the presidency), but hey the right had technically received more votes in 1996 overhere and still the left governed for 5 years. It had to do with our electoral system.
Other than that, the US today is a liberaldemocracy. So is the rest of the free world. It sometimes happens that one candidate gets some more votes than the other guy and still the other guy wins, but that's due to the electoral system of the country and has nothing to do with the US being less of a democracy. Plus, I believe around 90% of the times the real opinion of the people matched the technical outcome.
But I know you love to call yourself a Republic and I generously forgive you for that .

"I pledge allegiance to the flag and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, with liberty and justice for all."

Absolutely.

I think we should take useful organs of all dead people withou asking. No wait, we should tell them "If you don't want us to transplant your organs, say something."However, there should be no death penalty.

Originally Posted by C/1Lt Henderson

Needs of the many still outweigh the needs of the few.

The needs of the me outweigh the needs of the few.

Originally Posted by bulldogg

I whole-heartedly disagree with your logic.

Were others to follow this line of thinking there would be no "Leave no man behind".

We wouldn't send PJ's and CSARs in behind enemy lines to retrieve downed pilots, risking teams and helo's all for one man.

Indee. More importantly, Hollywood wouldn't be able to make movies about heroic rescues such as these.

Originally Posted by bulldogg

"I pledge allegiance to the flag and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, with liberty and justice for all."

Haha.

I find nothing humourous in my post. Pray tell what the you think is so funny punk? Men and women, far better than you, have died for that flag and what it stands for. It is only a shame we are having this conversation via a medium which does not lend itself to talking to you face to face. I personally would like to see the look in your eye when you say crap like that.

Originally Posted by bulldogg

I find nothing humourous in my post. Pray tell what the you think is so funny punk? Men and women, far better than you, have died for that flag and what it stands for. It is only a shame we are having this conversation via a medium which does not lend itself to talking to you face to face. I personally would like to see the look in your eye when you say crap like that.

I thought that this dumb-s h i t was already banned for his anti-everything rhetoric.

Originally Posted by bulldogg

I find nothing humourous in my post. Pray tell what the you think is so funny punk? Men and women, far better than you, have died for that flag and what it stands for. It is only a shame we are having this conversation via a medium which does not lend itself to talking to you face to face. I personally would like to see the look in your eye when you say crap like that.

I find nothing enraging about my post. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.