About Potential Leftist Dictator Overthrown Page 3
|July 1st, 2009||#21|
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"My center is giving way, my right is in retreat situation excellent. I shall attack." -Foch
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|July 1st, 2009||#22|
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I think I see a pattern too. The military along with some in the judicial system see trouble ahead when someone is trying to improve things for the less fortunate. The embedded elite isn't none to happy about that and stage a show. A judge, who has a whole lot to loose if the situation alters, says the president is power hungry. He orders some buddies in the miltary, who also have a lot to loose.... land, power, wealth, haciendas, you name it, to apprehend the culprit.... I reckon you still don't get it, but some probably do.
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
Sir Winston Churchill
|July 1st, 2009||#23|
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The news suggests that the Congressional President Roberto Micheletti has become the new head of state.
He is not a military general so in a way it's not a coup d'etat in the traditional sense. The President attempted to break the law and tried to use the military to do it and he got canned. I don't know what sort of position Congressional President is... is it a Vice President equivilent? Sounds like it anyway.
The public I think has been spared from making a very big blunder, the same kind of blunder the Venezuelans have made.
If the government plays this well and restores democracy, this action will be justified.
That's the problem with democracy in poor countries with poor education, people fall for Communists far too easily because they promise the absolute impossible as if they were promising that they could plant trees that would grow gold coins instead of leaves. I know politicians everywhere lie and BS about their promises but Communism is one of the biggest lies ever and pretty much always ends democracy and replaces it with a dictatorship anyway.
Either way democracy in Honduras looked pretty f*cked.
As for the fanatical championing of democracy Chupike, a lot of folks are only too happy to vote for Communist dictators and other folks who want to declare grudge wars on whoever-the-heck-granddaddy-fought-years-ago. Better that they have a dictator that'll at least build their country or at least not completely destroy it. As long as it's not a Communist dictator... or a facist one.
|July 1st, 2009||#24|
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What is missing is an explaination from the military as to why Zelaya was removed so quickly and without authorization from Parlament or the public.
I think what has got everyones stomach turning is that it was the military that ousted him. Even if the military did it with the best of intentions their is a certain smell of despotism in such an action. And Hondurias has a history of military coups. I think nobody is really sorry to see Zelaya go, they are upset in the way it was done.
Last edited by mmarsh; July 1st, 2009 at 11:45..
|July 1st, 2009||#25|
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Zelaya, by trying to pull off what Chavez did in Venezuela was pretty much threatening Honduras' democracy. Maybe that's what got everyone nervous and ready to send him away.
They actually sent him away. That's a huge improvement over having him and his family found riddled with bullets in the basement of their palace.
|July 1st, 2009||#26|
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What you aren't being told on the evening news (or by the White House).
I think Obama is worried about the example being set here. A president does things that are unconstitutional and is ousted by the Supreme Court and military. Hmm...
But nope..... I'm just some crazy right wing nut job that pissed because a quasi democrat in republican clothing didn't get elected. Remember..... McCain wasn't my first choice..... he was the lesser of two evils.
Last edited by 5.56X45mm; July 1st, 2009 at 15:52..
|July 1st, 2009||#27|
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So far, the most creative Dem-spin I've heard on this subject comes from NPR's Mara Liasson: Obama denounced the "coup" to avoid any suspicion in Latin America that the U.S. may have been involved in it.
So he won't denounce the killing in Iran for fear of looking like we were involved in the protests.
But he will denounce Hondorus for fear of looking like we were involved.
|July 1st, 2009||#28|
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Everyone is looking at this from a very western/european/american view. Try looking at from a Latin American POV.
A leader usurping power in order to stay in office in Latin America is not just the theory of "right wing neo-con's, or left wing nut-bags" or whatever. It is a very real reality especially in Central America. Recent history in the region bears this out. Somoza, Oretega (the first episoide), Noriega, and Torrijo's, etc. etc. Honduras itself spent ten years under a military dictatorship before returning to a democratically elected goverment. So the notion that the goverment could be toppled by one man was probably also a memory of many judges, congressmen, etc.
Honduras wrote it's constitution of 1982 with several safe guards against this.
1. Term limits.
2. The Congress appoints the the Commander of the Hounduran Military for a term of three years. Not the President. And while the President retains the title or General and Chief and most of his orders must be obeyed. He still can not fire the general without congressional approval.
While to us this may seem like much ado about nothing. To them it's very real and very much a threat. Latin American politics move much faster than ours. Mabe they understand what happens when they wait.
As far as the president being legally elected. Yeah so is their congress, and they have oversight of everything.
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|July 2nd, 2009||#29|
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In the end it just shows that the power in Honduras lies with a few pro-military types which makes it little more than another banana republic, if a political system can not withstand its own internal trials and tribulations without calling out the army then it really isn't a functioning system.
We are more often treacherous through weakness than through calculation. ~Francois De La Rochefoucauld
|July 2nd, 2009||#30|
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The Military was ordered not to particapte in the "poll" by the the Attorney General. The Commander of the Armed Forces complied with a legal order and was "fired" by Zelaya despite the fact that his appointment comes from the National Congress. The Military was then able to act in accordance with the wishes of a legally elected congress to remove a president who in the majority opinion and the legal opinion of the attorney general and the Supreme Court was illegaly attempting to circumvent the Constitution.
Painting this as a General overthrowing a legally elected Goverment ala Manuel Norriega/Omar Terrijo or the many others that have done this in Latin American History is off the mark.
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