IMHO, it seems to me, that the political HACKS whom have taken control of Washington, ought to prove to the American people that they can, and will, stop the flow of ILLEGAL Immigrants into our Country before they ever consider giving any kind of amnesty to those that break the law to get here.

It just seems that they (politicians), once again, want to put the cart before the horse. (the Reagan Administration made similar mistakes in the 80's)

Why haven't they learned from mistake of past Administrations? I don't know, but the insanity of it all drives me nuts.

Originally Posted by EDDIELAING

Call me CRAZY, but, it seems to me that the political HACKS whom have taken control of Washington, ought to prove to the American people that they can, and will, stop the flow of ILLEGAL Immigrants into our Country before they ever consider giving any kind of amnesty to those that break the law to get here.

It just seems to me that they (politicians), once again, want to put the cart before the horse. (the Reagan Administration made similar mistakes in the 80's)

Why haven't they learned from mistake of past Administrations? I don't know, but the insanity of it all drives me nuts.

Seems Politicians in America like having Slaves, seems they always have, and it seems they always will.

As long as the people who control the people in Washington D.C. still have a need for a lower class of individual in America, a person below a Citizen, a subhuman, there will always be such a class allowed to come into America on the sly.

Put in a live Minefield (in between 2 fences) along the entire Southern Border and the problem with the Southern Border will be taken care of, because those coming across the Border will use the Legal Crossings, or they will die in the Minefield.

I believe such a Minefield should be the price paid before any such amnesty is granted this time, because as the facts show the amnesty last time did not solve the problem it only made it worse.

The problem is that minefields are notoriously ineffective I recommend a moat and a mess of alligators.

Still I have a question, how many "illegal immigrants" are actually entering the USA via the land route compared to the number coming in via other methods.
Lets face it throwing up fences and planting land mines would probably be a less effective method of control if 95% of the immigrants are coming through LAX.

Originally Posted by MontyB

The problem is that minefields are notoriously ineffective I recommend a moat and a mess of alligators.

Still I have a question, how many "illegal immigrants" are actually entering the USA via the land route compared to the number coming in via other methods.
Lets face it throwing up fences and planting land mines would probably be a less effective method of control if 95% of the immigrants are coming through LAX.

Unfortunately, I do not have those stats on hand at the moment. But, as I am a long time resident of the City of San Diego (since 1970), I can tell you, IMHO, hat the vast majority of the Illegals are walking right accross the border. I have seen it with my own two eye's, time and time again.

Having lived in Arizona for for several years I would agree that the number of Mexicans jumping the border would make up a sizable proportion of the illegal immigrants entering the country but then I also imagine other South Americans are also a large chunk of the problem and I would be surprised if they are hiking through Mexico to get there.

Basically I am just saying that perhaps it would be best to figure out the most common method of entry (it may well be the Mexican border) and spend the cash on solving that problem before moving down the list.

Originally Posted by MontyB

The problem is that minefields are notoriously ineffective I recommend a moat and a mess of alligators.

Still I have a question, how many "illegal immigrants" are actually entering the USA via the land route compared to the number coming in via other methods.
Lets face it throwing up fences and planting land mines would probably be a less effective method of control if 95% of the immigrants are coming through LAX.

Well one has to start somewhere.
Sure, I like the Alligator idea, the Gators would clean up the mess by eating the Illegals, but the Gators would still need to be fenced in, so as to keep them inside their Area of Operations and thus keep Americans safe from hungry Gators.
On the flipside though seeing dead laying inside a Minefield would tend to have a physiological effect and get ones point across.

America is a Nation at War, anyone in the Nation Illegally should tried as a Spy, and then once found guilty be shot as a Spy, and, thats if they come across the Border to the South, or the Border to the North, or they come in though LAX, so on and so forth. The only difference being the people working at LAX in Customs would also need to be rounded up and once tried and found guilty, shot for obviously assisting Spies coming into the Nation.

Well if you are a nation at war then perhaps you should tell your border agents as I managed to cross back into the USA from Mexico through normal border crossings and never received an inquiry (actually I have had it happen twice now) compared to airport security the border guys don't seem to give a damn.

Seriously it gets a bit embarrassing to have to find someone and inform them you are a foreign national.

I always think that if these illegals used their enormous inventiveness to produce something new, they'd be millionairs in no time!
In other words; they will always find a new way and the IS always will have to react on it. The illegals have the action and the IS has to re-act on their initiative. And these easy avoidable things as mines..... piece of cake. If you want to upperhand you'd better think of something aweful clever... and that can be a problem.

Honestly Gator, shooting them as spies... Do you have any idea what that would do with the US. If your problem with illegals is because they are bad for business, well, then you have another thing coming. The worldwide ban on the US would do them ten times as much damage... And then there are a whole bunch of things called laws and treaties forbidding this....

Originally Posted by Ted

Honestly Gator, shooting them as spies... Do you have any idea what that would do with the US. If your problem with illegals is because they are bad for business, well, then you have another thing coming. The worldwide ban on the US would do them ten times as much damage... And then there are a whole bunch of things called laws and treaties forbidding this....

Well, it is my belief that after a handful were shot as Spies the rest would fall right in line and leave the United States of America.

Last I heard at least some of the Fort Dix would be bombers came into the United States across the Southern Border.
And, don't think for a minute that I have not noticed how Muslim Extremists from the Middle East tend to look an awful lot like Mexicans once they shave.

The United States has a long history of killing people viewed as a threat to the United States of America..... just ask the American Indians.

The United States of America also has a history of forcibly moving people viewed as a threat to the United States of America, right or wrong.... just ask the Japanese Americans who lived in the United States during the Second World War.

I have a problem with Illegals because they are Illegal.
I believe US Businesses will weather any storm because of Illegals not spending their money in the United States, and, I believe the United States will fair better in the long run.
I believe all U.S. Companies across the Border in Mexico should be closed, or said Company be redesignated as a Foreign Company, with Tariffs due upon Import of the product into the United States of America.
As for the World Wide Ban on the United States of America..... I really would like to see that action take place, starting with China, and working down the chain from there.
Seeing how the United States drives the World Economy such an action would, to say the least, be interesting to watch, and, even if the United States were to be destroyed Economically, well the United States has the power to end pretty much all life on Earth, and in the game of who gets to live longest on Earth, I vote Americans every time. So before the United States of America goes quietly into the night because of some World Wide Alliance against the United States of America, I personally believe everyone else should already be gone.

I do not believe in a One World Society, Open Borders, or Free Trade.
I do however believe in Borders, Allies, and people following the Law.
You know what’s funny about people making pronouncements about how Americans think, and what Americans will do?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070513/...igration_texas

Those against a regulation banning Illegals in Farmers Branch Texas from being treated just like Americans or those in America legally pushed for a Vote on the regulation, and, lo and behold 68% of Americans voted to uphold the regulation.
Now the Illegals and their allies in the United States of America are pushing to have the regulation stopped using the American Court System and strangely enough the United States Constitution.
I believe they will lose in the end, because for the most part Americans care about the United States of America, and only the United States of America.
Plus the Illegals do not have a legal leg to stand on in the US Court System on this issue, they are not allowed to be in the United States of America to begin with.



Monty, I cannot help it if you look European and Mexicans look... well, more Hispanic.
Personally, I blame the fair skin European Settlers who took New Zealand off the Indigs there.
Had the Spanish settled New Zealand, and brought, then interbred with the Indians of Southern North America and Central America on New Zealand...... and had the climate in New Zealand been more conducive towards a darker complexion, well, you may have more trouble coming across.
Also, as I have said before, there may be some in the United States who believe (mistakenly) that New Zealand is ours anyway..... sort of like Guam, and, we just gave back the Islands of Micronesia not very long ago.

Originally Posted by Gator

Monty, I cannot help it if you look European and Mexicans look... well, more Hispanic.
Personally, I blame the fair skin European Settlers who took New Zealand off the Indigs there.
Had the Spanish settled New Zealand, and brought, then interbred with the Indians of Southern North America and Central America on New Zealand...... and had the climate in New Zealand been more conducive towards a darker complexion, well, you may have more trouble coming across.
Also, as I have said before, there may be some in the United States who believe (mistakenly) that New Zealand is ours anyway..... sort of like Guam, and, we just gave back the Islands of Micronesia not very long ago.

So you are saying you only have a problem with the Hispanic looking illegals?

Personally I believe if you are going to put in border controls, check points and agents then you damn well should ensure that they do their job properly (oddly enough like the Canadians do), hell if they wont take the time to check someone driving through their own checkpoint then how much effort are they putting into stopping people sneaking past it?

As far as those who believe New Zealand to be "part" of the USA well sadly that is perhaps an indication of an education system sorely lacking in an understanding of the world that with US isolationism will simply pass it by.