Originally Posted by 5.56X45mm

Hence why I asked, Military and Law Enforcement are blurring together into one group here in the United States of America.

That's our main problem right there. LE needs to be put back into place, and get back to their role, and the Govt needs to stop trying to make them into something they aren't.

Originally Posted by PJ24

That's our main problem right there. LE needs to be put back into place, and get back to their role, and the Govt needs to stop trying to make them into something they aren't.

So who, may I ask is to protect us? It's not the Military's job, they take care of the boogie man oversea's. While LE isn't a military group, they do need to pratice anti-terror and para-military tactics.

Originally Posted by Cadet Seaman

So who, may I ask is to protect us? It's not the Military's job, they take care of the boogie man oversea's. While LE isn't a military group, they do need to pratice anti-terror and para-military tactics.

Nowhere did I say that it isn't their role to protect the citizens, that IS their role.

I also said nothing about TTPs. We've been working with LE for years, helping them and showing them some of our TTPs. We've shown them the tactics and techniques we've used when dealing with terrorists, violent criminals and thugs abroad. Police Departments select those techniques that work best and still allows them to protect the citizens. The difference is, they have to sift through everything we teach them and apply and adapt it to the LE world, that includes how it may affect the community. An easy example is the differences in a sniper and a counter-sniper. You won't see a sniper on a PD.

Civil Law Enforcement is about saving lives, not taking them. When you start mixing the two mentalities, you're just asking for trouble. That's where the problem is. We're letting PDs get a paramilitary mentality by themselves or because the Govt. isn't explaining their new and expanding role well enough to them. "To close with and Destroy" doesn't mesh, no matter how far you stretch it, with "To serve and protect".

That is what I meant by my post.

Hear hear PJ!

Originally Posted by PJ24

Nowhere did I say that it isn't their role to protect the citizens, that IS their role.

I also said nothing about TTPs. We've been working with LE for years, helping them and showing them some of our TTPs. We've shown them the tactics and techniques we've used when dealing with terrorists, violent criminals and thugs abroad. Police Departments select those techniques that work best and still allows them to protect the citizens. The difference is, they have to sift through everything we teach them and apply and adapt it to the LE world, that includes how it may affect the community. An easy example is the differences in a sniper and a counter-sniper. You won't see a sniper on a PD.

Civil Law Enforcement is about saving lives, not taking them. When you start mixing the two mentalities, you're just asking for trouble. That's where the problem is. We're letting PDs get a paramilitary mentality by themselves or because the Govt. isn't explaining their new and expanding role well enough to them. "To close with and Destroy" doesn't mesh, no matter how far you stretch it, with "To serve and protect".

That is what I meant by my post.

I see. I agree it is the job of LE to save lifes, but when dealing with people who would die for their cause by blowing theselves up and anyone nearby the LE has to take them out.