Hmmm, wouldn't say iraq or afghanistan are liberated either. The Administration are just a bunch of cunning greedy wankers with no respect for the lives of american soldiers or the cultures of other nations.

America did definitely liberate a **** load of countrys, a brief list was mentioned earlier, and i say, good on em! But they were liberated for precise and defined reasons. No qualms about America going after afghanistan but WHY DIDN'T THEY GET THE JOB DONE?! As for iraq

America: good
Adminstration: Bad
UN: Annnnyway!

Originally Posted by phoenix80

if you say so but I simply dont care!

That is a sentence many despots, tyrants and dictators use when they hear something they don't like. Going into a discussion and counter-arguing that you don't care what is said... well, it will never win a beauty-contest that's for sure. I take it that you didn't agree with what I said, right?

Luckily for us the ruthless tyrants in sudan agreed to a peace deal with the largest rebel faction in darfur. I guess diplomacy can work if you're willing to wait while the killing goes on, tough choice. The problem with a military intervention would be that we send troops there or a coalition goes there and soldiers are getting killed and nothing is getting solved.

Originally Posted by Ted

That is a sentence many despots, tyrants and dictators use when they hear something they don't like. Going into a discussion and counter-arguing that you don't care what is said... well, it will never win a beauty-contest that's for sure. I take it that you didn't agree with what I said, right?

oh I see!

Originally Posted by Ted

I suppose you were referring to me with that comment?

First of all, I don't believe the UN holds world power nor will it ever. Therefore I am not "bitching" about there actions in Darfur.


As I said "nice words".... but if he is serious about his words, what is keeping him? Liberating two particular countries (if you want to call it that, since there is still a terrible amount of violence) is a nice start. But even you and Phoenix must see that he says ALL and he is not even close to a few!
It's just a load of bollocks, you know that, I know that and they especially know that! It is nice rethorics which will never become true. Where I am from you say the things you are ready to back up and don't say things because they just sound nice. If you want to believe this Sesame-street rethoric... fine! But take a look around and where is the US in Darfur, Chad, Liberia, Myanmar, Nepal, Haiti, and the list goes on and on!

well, a little help wouldnt hurt. we cant over..errr liberate the world by ourselves.

The US doesn't liberate nations, infrastructure does. It's true, the better run a nation is the more freedoms its inhabitants have. The best thing the USA can do is fund development projects in those nations and make everything more efficient, military actions aren't going to improve the lives of people, progress is.

If africa was as developed as say latin america, there wouldn't be this horrendous suffering we hear about all the time, just the occasional rebel uprising which is a farcry from the indiscriminant slaughter they know too well.

Originally Posted by behemoth79

well, a little help wouldnt hurt. we cant over..errr liberate the world by ourselves.

I know that Behemoth, and I respect the intent. But in that picture they promised that the US would liberate all. "All who live in tyranny and hopelessness..." Nice words but they don´t mean diddly.
I wish that Europe, the US and the rising powers in Asia would find a way to stop the cruelty in, say Africa. But that is a Utopic thought and won´t happen soon. So it is the obvious propaganda in that picture that makes my hair curl, because it is simply not true.