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February 23rd, 2005   #1
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The Philippines was Americas First Vietnam and Iraq.

An in-depth account of their first foray into a foreign land and into battle with Filipinos from the four corners of the country, from an American's point of view

www.bakbakan.com/junglep.html

I suggest you guys start from the introduction and work your way down to really understand the history of the Philippine-American war and how it was fought. enjoy


\"The General has given me the pick of all the men that can be spared and ordered me to defend the Pass. I realize what a terrible task has been given me. And yet i feel that this is the most glorious moment of my life. What i do is done for my beloved country . No sacrifice can be too great.\" Gen.Gregorio del Pilar 24 years old, on the night of 1 Dec. 1899 at Tirad Pass, he was killed the next day battling American troops.
 
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February 23rd, 2005   #2
Charge 7
 
 
Yes, it was a great nasty mess for quite awhile, but I would hardly call it the "first Vietnam". For one thing, the US went on to achieve a great understanding and alliance with the Phillipine people. We left there as friends and partners. We still are. You can't say the same for Vietnam.


"Do not forget your dogs of war, your big guns, which are the most-to-be respected arguments of the rights of kings."

- Frederick the Great, King of Prussia

 
February 24th, 2005   #3
Duty Honor Country
 
 
FINALLY!!!!!

Someone else who ties in that war with the one in Iraq. I have mentioned the Philippine War in a few Iraq discussions and it fell on deaf ears. Here are a few quotes I pulled from a book I am reading on the war. Tomorrow I will throw more up on my thread in military quotes on the Philippine War.

http://www.military-quotes.com/forum...pic.php?t=6490

“War in its proper meaning had ceased to exist.” Gen. Otis, US Commander, declaring that war was over, DEC 1899

“The objective was not to vanquish [the US Army], a difficult matter to accomplish considering their superiority in numbers and arms, but to inflict on them constant losses, to the end of discouraging them and convincing them of our rights.” Rebel General Francisco Macabulos

“Let us for a little while longer put forth heroic deeds of arms…because McKinley falls by the waist side, the people abandon him and incline to the political party of Mr. Bryan whose fundamental teaching of the recognition of our independent party.” General Mascardo on trying to influence the American election in NOV 1900

“The fighting was relatively minor, but it caused a steady trickle of dead and wounded that soon passed the number of casualties for the entire campaign. This harassing, hit-and-run guerrilla war both puzzled and infuriated the soldiers.” Quote from the book.

Guerrilla tactics were “to constantly harass the enemy, causing him loses and avoiding such to our people,…to prepare ambushed avoiding combats, and to take rifles, ammunition, and prisoners.

the book was written in 2000, well before 9/11 and the war in Iraq


"The best form of taking care of troops is first-class training, for this saves unnecessary casualties." Erwin Rommel
 
February 24th, 2005   #4
Charge 7
 
 
Well, jeez, Doody, if it meant all that much to ya you could've just said so

I'll be happy to talk about Aguinaldo, Chaffee, and Funston all you want
 
February 24th, 2005   #5
Zucchini
 
I think there are also many parallels with the Plains Indians Wars.
 
February 24th, 2005   #6
Brotchador
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doody
FINALLY!!!!!

Someone else who ties in that war with the one in Iraq. I have mentioned the Philippine War in a few Iraq discussions and it fell on deaf ears. Here are a few quotes I pulled from a book I am reading on the war. Tomorrow I will throw more up on my thread in military quotes on the Philippine War.

http://www.military-quotes.com/forum...pic.php?t=6490

“War in its proper meaning had ceased to exist.” Gen. Otis, US Commander, declaring that war was over, DEC 1899

“The objective was not to vanquish [the US Army], a difficult matter to accomplish considering their superiority in numbers and arms, but to inflict on them constant losses, to the end of discouraging them and convincing them of our rights.” Rebel General Francisco Macabulos

“Let us for a little while longer put forth heroic deeds of arms…because McKinley falls by the waist side, the people abandon him and incline to the political party of Mr. Bryan whose fundamental teaching of the recognition of our independent party.” General Mascardo on trying to influence the American election in NOV 1900

“The fighting was relatively minor, but it caused a steady trickle of dead and wounded that soon passed the number of casualties for the entire campaign. This harassing, hit-and-run guerrilla war both puzzled and infuriated the soldiers.” Quote from the book.

Guerrilla tactics were “to constantly harass the enemy, causing him loses and avoiding such to our people,…to prepare ambushed avoiding combats, and to take rifles, ammunition, and prisoners.

the book was written in 2000, well before 9/11 and the war in Iraq
The setting is amost the only thing different between the two, the Philippines being at that time mostly jungle terrain and Iraq being desert, Americans against natives who both saw them as not liberators but as conquerors, The Americans as well as the Filipinos both resorted to inhuman acts, massacres, tortures, etc. but as Charge 7 mentioned America begun to understand the needs and wants of the people, established schools , public works, and basically turned those over tp the Filipinos gratis.

One thing that really bothers me is this "WHY DOES AMERICA ALWAYS REBUILD A COUNTRY IT HAS DESTROYED?' is it really in the nature of Americans to help? or does America feel it is obliged to rebuild what it has destroyed? can America not help a country without destroying it first? just curious...
 
February 25th, 2005   #7
IAmFighter
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brotchador
One thing that really bothers me is this "WHY DOES AMERICA ALWAYS REBUILD A COUNTRY IT HAS DESTROYED?' is it really in the nature of Americans to help? or does America feel it is obliged to rebuild what it has destroyed? can America not help a country without destroying it first? just curious...
Well, the United States could just leave that country as is and watch its people starve and die of disease, but that's not morally right. After World War II, it was largely American foreign aid loans that rebuilt German and Japanese inferstructure and industry that had been destroyed during battle and air attack.

And yes, the US can help a country it hasn't destroyed. Haven't you seen the aid we sent following the tsunami disaster in Southeast Asia?


\"The advance of hope in the Middle East requires new thinking in the region. By now it should be clear that authoritarian rule is not the way of the future it is the last gasp of a discredited past. Democracy is their goal and terrorists themselves have reason to fear.\" ~President George W. Bush

Do not attack the First Marine Division. Leave the yellowlegs alone. Strike the American Army.
~Orders given to Communist troops in the Korean War; shortly afterward, the Marines were ordered to not wear their khaki leggings.
 
June 10th, 2005   #8
gladius
 
Rebuilding also promotes stability, this was a lesson learned with the debacle after WWI. Also it promotes freindliness with the defeated countries, and it works just look at Germany and Japan. That and well... I do think its in the nature of Americans to help, IMO.

...As far as the original topic.

The parallels with Iraq are similar.

But I doubt we could use the very effective tactic of the US army back then for control of the southern Phillipines, of burying dead Moslems with carcasses of pigs.

Also I think the Colt .45 was invented specifically during that war, because the pistols at that time didn't have enough stoping power to kill attacking fanatics who wrrapped their limbs tighly with cloth to prevent blood loss.
 
April 4th, 2006   #9
Brotchador
 
 
Found this on the Forum we have here in the Philippines, author unknown but must be an American.

Weapons of mass destruction, a slam-dunk war followed by a no-end-in-sight occupation? We’ve been here before when a century ago the U.S. first sent an army overseas to accomplish regime change and liberate a resource-rich land from tyranny.

It began in February, 1898 when an explosion sunk the U.S. battleship Maine in Havana harbor. Since Cubans lived under a cruel Spanish colonialism, a pro-war U.S. press felt free to claim that Spain unleashed a weapon of mass destruction, and to whip up "Remember the Maine" fever. No weapon was ever found -- it was a boiler explosion that sank the Maine -- and though Spain agreed to President McKinley’s main demands, Congress declared war with a promise to free Cuba.

Secretary of State John Hay called it "a splendid little war" because in less than a hundred days the U.S. liberated 13 million people and 165,000 square miles of colonies from Puerto Rico to Guam and the Philippines, and with only 379 combat deaths. But disease and embalmed meat war profiteers sold to the Army killed another 5,462 U.S. soldiers.

Leading the hawks in 1898 was a young, flamboyant Teddy Roosevelt, an assistant secretary of the Navy who claimed war stimulated "spiritual renewal," and the "clear instinct for racial selfishness." Not a man to hide in the National Guard, TR personally led his "Rough Riders" at San Juan Hill, and returned from Cuba with one regret –"there was not enough war to go around."

Now he was riding to the White House.

For two years General Emilio Aguinaldo and his freedom-fighting guerilla army had fought Spain’s cruel occupation fully ready to govern a free Philippines. But before he left for Cuba, TR sent Admiral George Dewey’s U.S. fleet to Manila Bay where it sank the Spanish fleet. Dewey assured Aguinaldo the U.S. "had come to . . . free the Filipinos from the yoke of Spain." But U.S. troops landed on Luzon, prevented Aguinaldo from entering Manila, and Washington appointed a puppet government.

Filipinos first welcomed Americans as liberators. But in June when Aguinaldo issued a declaration of independence, the pro-war U.S. press began to demonize Aguinaldo, and a U.S. general told Congress that Filipinos who wanted freedom had "no more idea of its meaning than a shepherd dog."

President McKinley said he spent many sleepless nights agonizing about the Philippines. The president called his program "benevolent assimilation." The influential San Francisco Argonaut was more candid: "We do not want the Filipinos. We want the Philippines. The islands are enormously rich, but unfortunately, they are infested with Filipinos."

A U.S. army of 70,000 [including 6,000 Black troops] was sent to pacify the islands and, as more than one white soldier said, "just itching to get at the ******s." General William Shafter told a journalist it might be necessary to kill half the population to bring "perfect justice" to the other half.

After General Jack Smith promised to turn the Philippines into a "howling wilderness" most casualties were civilians. Smith defined the foe as any male or female "ten years and up," and told his soldiers: "I want no prisoners. I wish you to kill and burn; the more you kill and burn the better it will please me."

U.S. officers encouraged the use of torture, murder of prisoners, and massacre of villagers, including women and children. A Kansas soldier wrote "The country won’t be pacified until the ******s are killed off like the Indians."

Another white soldier reported brutal "sights you could hardly believe" and he reached this conclusion: "A white man seems to forget that he is human."

The U.S. had entered a quagmire. "The Filipino masses are loyal to Aguinaldo and the government he leads," conceded U.S. General Arthur MacArthur. He thought the foe "needed bayonet treatment for at least a decade." His time assessment proved prophetic. In early 1901 a U.S. journalist concluded "that the Filipino hates U.S. . . permanent guerrilla warfare will continue for years."

He reported endless guerilla attacks that took one or two U.S. lives at a time and created a "spirit of bitterness in the rank and file of the army." A U.S. Red Cross worker reported "American soldiers are determined to kill every Filipino in sight" and said he saw "horribly mutilated Filipino bodies."

In March, 1901 U.S. officers saw victory when Aguinaldo was captured, agreed to swear allegiance to the United States, and to persuade his officers to accept amnesty. But quagmires can sink fond hopes. Six months later guerillas on Samar attacked a U.S. garrison and massacred 45 U.S. officers and enlisted men with bolos and bare hands. The occupation’s most shocking defeat exposed U.S. propaganda about a defeated foe and a easy occupation. The U.S. media compared Samar to General Custer at the Little Big Horn, pro-imperialist editors talked about being "hoodwinked," and The San Francisco Call reminded Americans "a conquered people" do not remain conquered for long. "It is utterly foolish to pretend . . . the end is in sight," admitted General Adna Chaffee.

By 1902 U.S. Senate hearings and scores of Army court martial trials found that U.S. occupying forces were guilty of "war crimes." General Robert Hughes admitted he ordered the burning of villages and murder of women and children. When asked by a Senator if this was "civilized warfare," he answered, "these people are not civilized." The Baltimore American wondered why the U.S. carried out "we went to war to banish."

President Teddy Roosevelt followed McKinley to the White House and continued to justify the occupation, dismiss Filipinos as "Chinese half-breeds," and to insist this was "the most glorious war in our nation's history." Congress spent $170 million on its occupation.

Mark Twain, two former presidents and other prominent citizens formed an Anti-Imperialist League that had tens of thousands attending protest meetings and signing petitions that denounced U.S. atrocities and imperial designs. One prominent African American bravely declared:"We shall neither fight for such a country nor with such an army," and many others spoke out as well. The African American press stood united against a U.S. government that exported its racist "deviltry" overseas, and some labor unions began to connect the dots between overseas imperialism and government suppression of strikes at home.

Nearly three thousand military actions continued until 1911, took 200,000 Filipino lives, and the U.S. suffered 4,234 combat deaths. More than a dozen US servicemen defected to Aguinaldo, and half of these were African Americans although soldiers of color comprised less than ten percent of the US army of occupation.

Filipino independence came in 1945 but bitterness continued with Washington support for brutal dictators such as Ferdinand Marcos who looted his country for twenty years. Vice President George Walker Bush arrived in Manila to praise Marcos "adherence to democratic principles" and the next year a massive, nonviolent uprising forced Marcos to flee.

On October 18, 2003 President George W. Bush came to Manila to promote his war on terrorism. For the Philippine Congress, he rewrote history when he said: "Together our soldiers liberated the Philippines."

Our first overseas venture a hundred years ago offers insights into our occupation of Iraq. People always prefer self rule to a foreign master. Resisting self-determination was unpleasant long ago, and it has not and will not be pleasant now. Presidential lies come around to bite again.
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December 3rd, 2006   #10
Brotchador
 
 
Here's some samplers from American soldiers themselves, change the names of places and voila! it's modern day IRAQ. http://www.boondocksnet.com/ai/ailtexts/soldiers.html
 



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