Topic: Paratroopers. 2

SHERMAN · May 21st, 2004

Well 1217, the Israeli Defence Forces defend a country theat has no stratigical depth. So the IDF is expected to launcha preemptive strike and transfer the fighting into the enemys homeland. The IDF is a very agressive defence force to say the least...

1217 · May 21st, 2004

I mean the IDF will probably not launch a full frontal attack on another country. If they would, they could loose the support from the US. And even though I have the utmost respect for the men and women serving in the IDF, I’m afraid they wouldn’t be able to defend Israel from the rest of the middle east in a full out war without help.

SHERMAN · May 21st, 2004

lol. Well 1217, your wrong. We did it in 1948, we did in 1967, we did it in 1973. We are cpable of fighting in 3 fronts, attacking on 1 and defending the other 2. We can beat any arab statwe to apulp on it's own, and if we have 2 attacking us at the same time, we can still manage easily. Besides 1956, Israel never had any assistance in the actuall fighting. We get ammo form the US, but thats it...

1217 · May 21st, 2004

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Originally Posted by sherman105

lol. Well 1217, your wrong.

Well, that happens sometimes.

But about the US support, I don't mean they sent troops, or did so in the past, but most countries won't take a chance attacking a US ally.
(BTW, are nukes considered 'ammo' to?

)

Abell · May 21st, 2004

I think some of the real issues are being missed here. First, Airborne operation in a conventional sense generally rely on getting fighting soldiers behind the enemy (thus, they are typically light fighters) or in extreme cases, in front of the enemy as a temp blocking force, flanking etc...Some consider Airborne obsolete....I do not.
Second, while the "need" of Airborne can be debated, it is usually true that Airborne Units have excellent morale. They do consider themselves "elite". (God, I do HATE that word) Thus, they usually perform well in battle because of their belief that they are good. It's a mind thing.
Last but not least. IDF are a formidable foe. 90% defensive in design, extremely well trained, committed to what they do, and excellent fighters. While they do use US technology to some degree, you will almost ALWAYS find an IDF modification to it. They take a good idea and modify it to fit. Smart fighters, they dont have the luxary of making big mistakes and surviving.
Thier Airborne Units....both conventional and SpecOps are, in my opinion, as good as any. Depth is the weakness....(see SMART above.)

I.Y.A.A.Y.A.S · May 21st, 2004

Don't know much about their paratroopers so i do not know very much... Are they anything like The U.S.A.F. Paratroopers

SHERMAN · May 21st, 2004

yes, they jump out of planes....

Abell · May 21st, 2004

I think the similarities end once they leave the plane. USAF (Excluding Para-Rescue) Airborne Op's are primarily in support of ground operations with units requiring Tac-Air, CCCT, ect...Im not aware of anyother jump status personnel in the AF with the exception of my exception. Pilots, but their jumps are not for anything other than survival.
I think most of the IDF Airborne are Airborne Infantry with various degrees of specialty.

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May 21st, 2004	Post 11
SHERMAN Milforum Moderator Gear	Post; lol Well 1217, the Israeli Defence Forces defend a country theat has no stratigical depth. So the IDF is expected to launcha preemptive strike and transfer the fighting into the enemys homeland. The IDF is a very agressive defence force to say the least... __________________ In the roar of engines, in the thunder of cannons,in the comradship of blood!

May 21st, 2004	Post 12
1217 Primus Pilus	I mean the IDF will probably not launch a full frontal attack on another country. If they would, they could loose the support from the US. And even though I have the utmost respect for the men and women serving in the IDF, I’m afraid they wouldn’t be able to defend Israel from the rest of the middle east in a full out war without help. __________________ "It is not supreme excellence to fight and conquer in all your battles, It is supreme excellence if you break the enemy's resistance without fighting." Sun Tzu, the Art of War

May 21st, 2004	Post 13
SHERMAN Milforum Moderator Gear	Post; lol lol. Well 1217, your wrong. We did it in 1948, we did in 1967, we did it in 1973. We are cpable of fighting in 3 fronts, attacking on 1 and defending the other 2. We can beat any arab statwe to apulp on it's own, and if we have 2 attacking us at the same time, we can still manage easily. Besides 1956, Israel never had any assistance in the actuall fighting. We get ammo form the US, but thats it...

May 21st, 2004	Post 16
I.Y.A.A.Y.A.S Centurion	Don't know much about their paratroopers so i do not know very much... Are they anything like The U.S.A.F. Paratroopers __________________ If world war 3 is fought with nuclear weapons, then world war 4 will be fought with sticks and stones. --Albert Einstein I.Y.A.A.Y.A.S IF YOU AINT AMMO YOU AINT ****

Topic: Paratroopers. 2

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May 21st, 2004	Post 15
Abell Milites Gregarius	I think some of the real issues are being missed here. First, Airborne operation in a conventional sense generally rely on getting fighting soldiers behind the enemy (thus, they are typically light fighters) or in extreme cases, in front of the enemy as a temp blocking force, flanking etc...Some consider Airborne obsolete....I do not. Second, while the "need" of Airborne can be debated, it is usually true that Airborne Units have excellent morale. They do consider themselves "elite". (God, I do HATE that word) Thus, they usually perform well in battle because of their belief that they are good. It's a mind thing. Last but not least. IDF are a formidable foe. 90% defensive in design, extremely well trained, committed to what they do, and excellent fighters. While they do use US technology to some degree, you will almost ALWAYS find an IDF modification to it. They take a good idea and modify it to fit. Smart fighters, they dont have the luxary of making big mistakes and surviving. Thier Airborne Units....both conventional and SpecOps are, in my opinion, as good as any. Depth is the weakness....(see SMART above.)

May 21st, 2004	Post 17
SHERMAN Milforum Moderator Gear	Post; ye yes, they jump out of planes....

May 21st, 2004	Post 18
Abell Milites Gregarius	I think the similarities end once they leave the plane. USAF (Excluding Para-Rescue) Airborne Op's are primarily in support of ground operations with units requiring Tac-Air, CCCT, ect...Im not aware of anyother jump status personnel in the AF with the exception of my exception. Pilots, but their jumps are not for anything other than survival. I think most of the IDF Airborne are Airborne Infantry with various degrees of specialty.