While I accept your arguments as valid, take a look at that last sentence. While Mr. Lind himself may not have been in service to experience the benefits to the Corps, no doubt the Corps has since 1989 proven his work (and the work of Colonels Nightengale, Wyly, and Burton) quite valid and scholarly. True, one cannot tell the entire tale of military life without experiencing it, but his later work has done a fair job which I felt worthy of mentioning on this forum.

Your sentiment is not lost. You did ask for an opinion and that's what I wrote, not an effort to shame or disgrace... just an opinion and the reasons thereof.

Originally Posted by deerslayer

Phoenix80,

If you can't stand liberal media, read some of these articles with a grain of salt. Know thine enemy IMHO it can be beneficial to see both sides of a story, then dissect it and piece together what you can of it. In the process you usually form from insight your own opinions that aren't in line with media sources.

oh believe me that I do! But I was just telling you how they are!

Originally Posted by bulldogg

Your sentiment is not lost. You did ask for an opinion and that's what I wrote, not an effort to shame or disgrace... just an opinion and the reasons thereof.

I totally understand that, bulldogg. I was just trying to further understand your thinking on the matter.

Phoenix: I agree, can't stand the liberal media, or Michael Moore, for that matter. I was simply pointing out that some of these guys are actually on the extreme right

how are they on extreme right?

Well, good to mention that I cant stand both extreme right and far left rants!

stand moderate, eh? Can't say that I blame you, I was just using Fontova as a case in point. Lind, I'm not entirely sure about.

I still highly suggest you check Humberto Fontova out, for no other reason than the fact that he's friggin hilarious.

Originally Posted by deerslayer

Well, you're right Doody, take anything with a grain of salt (many media sources with the entire shaker). I don't know that he's involved with moveon.org. Lind did a lot of good for the Marine Corps in association with some colonels and a LC back in '89, when these men published a paper on coming warfare that was (surprise!) largely ignored by Washington. Their ideas ended up having a major impact on USMC doctrine.

I'm not familiar with Max Boot, but I'll look into it when I get the chance. Always nice to have more writers in the "Bookmarks" toolbar.

Yes and no. Lind was part of team that was put together by then CMC General Al Gray. The effort was adopted as the Corps moved toward manuver combat training and doctrine and refined into an FMFM.

In my thinking Lind got that spot because he worked with General Gray on the LAV program when Big Al was a Brigader General at the Big Q. And while Lind may have played a part in each evolution, he's not the main player.

His manuver warfare design was actually being evolved by General Gray when he was appointed Commandant. The Team to include Lind only polished up what CMC wanted. That was to not only prepare for a fast pace combined arms response to a Soviet Bloc threat but to also not to leave out the possibilty of LIC and peace keeping.

actually, "maneuver warfare" was the brainchild of John Boyd. Using Boyd's ideas, Lind and his team developed the framework for the 4 generations of modern warfare.

Up until that post, USMC, I was under the impression (judging from the martyring of Mike Wyly for his work) that Lind and his compatriots were working freelance. Thanks for clarifying that.