Hphmm.... ... Sorry...


France, always saying the the US treats Muslims bad...Hphmm.... ...

I guess they have it coming.

Okay, I'll stop now before I say something "wrong" and get banned.


...FRANCE!



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Originally Posted by Ted

What is your suggestion? You can alter the constitution but that way you open up the way to deport any person with a foreign background. DO nothing and you stick your head in the sand, do to much an you open Pandora's box... It is a catch 22 and in every situation somebody loses. We are toughing up currently, but it is being done haphazardly and very black-and-white. So anybody with a good solution to this problem, feel free to post them....

I'm not talking about the caucasian European radicals themselves, theres nothing you can do about that.
I'm talking about the immigration problem that is getting out of hand and causing a culture clash of civilizations with no end in sight.

Once the Muslims are nationalized citizens of that country, you can no longer deport them that obvious.

They need to deport those who are non-citizens, only keeping those who have a good legitimate reason to be there (such as filling a labor shortage, or skill shortage, ect).

They need to have severe restrition or even a complete ban for all Muslim who want to imigrate to the country (really they don't need anymore).

If they go there for ligitimate work purposes, they may not take their families with them, ensuring they will go back.

Deport and renounce citizenship to all Mullahs who even avocate radicalism in the slightest. keep them all monitored.

Have strict and enforced integration policies that force the school children to adapt to their host countries ways. Violation can come with the penalty of deportation or citizenship revokation.

Its not an easy thing to do, people will really have to get tough on this, its the only way.

I myself don't know if Europe really has the backbone to actually implement the things that need to get done.

If not within 50 year or even less Europe as we know it will disapear. This may just happen in your lifetime.

This is not just Hollands problem but all of Europe's.

Originally Posted by 5.56X45mm

Hphmm.... ... Sorry...


France, always saying the the US treats Muslims bad...Hphmm.... ...

I guess they have it coming.

Okay, I'll stop now before I say something "wrong" and get banned.


...FRANCE!



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I know what you are saying. France had it coming.

All the stuff that France did all those years to gain the favor of the Muslims, and make themselves popular with the Muslims, especially in opposing the US in Iraq.

It didnt do 'em one bit of good.

The cultural rift is so great and so completely at odds with the European lifestyle that the Muslims will always see them as infidels no matter what. I hope France learns it lesson after this.

Just because you do the popular thing doesn't mean its the right thing.

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsAr...archived=False

The response of the French government to this man made disaster makes the US FEMA's response to Katrina seem quite rapid and a success beyond measure by comparison.

I just don't accept the fact that France treats its Muslims bad. You can be sure that Muslims have far more rights and privilages here in France than a French Catholic would have in the ME, provided the Islamic fanatics didnt kill him first.

Like the US, France has had alot of immigrants. But not all immigrants have acted this bad. For example of the largest population in Paris is Vietnamese/Chinese. Now they generally keep to themselves but they dont cause trouble and they dont shout racism whenever they dont't get their way. Some people on the left would say would some degree of truth that the vietnamese is an example of intergration working. They attend French Schools, speak the language, many are catholics, drink wine, pay taxes, work at French jobs, etc. Same could be said of other groups such as people from Indonisia (whom are Muslim), the Phillippeans, etc.

On the other hand, immigrants from Algeria or the Middle East have had problems intergrating not only in France, but in the UK, Germany, in the Netherlands, and I believe Italy as well. But speaking just for France, why does it work for the Vietnamese and not for Arabs/Africans?

I think I can contribute on this very smart comment of Mmarsh, as I lived with an Arab and I have friends from a lot of countries who live here. I'm pretty busy right now but will get back here in a couple of hours.

BTW, is it true you cannot wear the Netherland flag in a Netherland school anymore or you will get suspended?

It is a bit more complicated. In Holland the different schools can make different policy. There are some of these foundations that have banned the flag, because more and more Dutch neo-nazi's started to wear them. They do this as a countermeasure because the Marrocans wear their flag, the Surinams wear theirs and the Turks theirs. Since they don't ban those flags you can safely say that this is again a good example of PC.

I sometimes wore Lonsdale clothing to get a discussion started on this topic. If you ban a flag, you've got to ban 'm all! That's my opinion...

Originally Posted by Ted

They do this as a countermeasure because the Moroccans wear their flag, the Surinams wear theirs and the Turks theirs.

Once again the Netherlands is a great example of successful integration, isn't it?

This all sounds very similar to the gangs of Southern California all "flying their colours". Gee, and Europe was so keen to tell the US just how much more close to Utopia they were... pardon me now while I go and reconsider the origins of the universe as this has shaken my faith in humanity.

Bulldogg

I wouldnt call Europe a Utopia, but it is true that the poor and middle class have certain advanteges that dont exsist in the USA. Full Health care, 5 weeks paid vacation, better unemployment benefits, etc. This is why I have a hard time accepting the 'poor us' excuse, It may not be 100% fair, but they have it alot better than most other places.

Here's a thought, my father brought up.

The cars that are being burned. Whose cars are they? Not mine, I dont park over there, nor does anyone else except the people that live there. So that means they are setting fire to their own property. How smart is that?

That sounds logical mmarsh.

And on the remarks regarding the US. There's a book called "Un-dutchables" and that gives great inside into the mind and behaviour of the Dutch. We are good at pointing our fingers at others, but we have a hard time looking at ourselves.
But IG, you have to agree that integration doesn't mean that you have to forget your heritage. When I lived in the States I had many shirts with Holland printed on them. But I reckon I was totally assimilated with everybody else, spoke the language fluently and all... So national awareness (or even some nationalism) isn't the same as a multicultural downfall. You need that to make it happen, but they aren't the same.