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July 11th, 2006   Post 1
GI_JOEJK
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Post; Old allies = new enemies?


Are these old (pre 911) allies still friends or our enemies now?

Chechen Fighters
KLA/UCK from Kosovo
Mujahideen
from various countries
 
July 11th, 2006   Post 2
Ted
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I think I wouldn't want them on my allies list to start of with! But seeming they are all muslim of some kind, I reckon that they aren't too friendly with the US these days.
Since more and more Chechen fighters turn up in Iraq.... well you do the math.
 
July 11th, 2006   Post 3
Ollie Garchy
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"A wealthy Saudi named Osama bin Laden was a prominent mujahideen organizer and financier; his Maktab al-Khadamat (MAK) (Office of Services) funnelled money, arms, and Muslim fighters from around the world into Afghanistan, with the assistance and support of the Saudi government. In 1988, bin Laden broke away from the MAK."

I guess not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mujahedeen
 
July 11th, 2006   Post 4
GI_JOEJK
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2697219212819574923

After watching this video, I am not so sure who to call the "enemy". It seems as though the US Green Berets participated in the fighting along side the KLA/UCK and Mujahideen fighters (Who were stoned out of there minds) against fellow Christians. And then we get 911 as thanks

I blame Clinton for this.
 
July 11th, 2006   Post 5
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Well, making a deal with the Mujadeen was truthfully like making a deal with the devil, but it was the only way that the Reagan administration would have been able to actively support oppostion to the USSR without direct intervention and the inherent risk of nuclear war.
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July 11th, 2006   Post 6
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Quote:
Originally Posted by godofthunder9010
Well, making a deal with the Mujadeen was truthfully like making a deal with the devil, but it was the only way that the Reagan administration would have been able to actively support oppostion to the USSR without direct intervention and the inherent risk of nuclear war.
Most of the "devil" mujahedins in Afghanistan simply wanted to rid their land of foreign rule!
 
July 11th, 2006   Post 7
gladius
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Agreed.

But sometime an alliance of nesecity has to be.

It was like being an ally with Stalin to fight Hitler. One was just as bad as the other, but hey you can't fight everyone at once.

Quote:
Originally Posted by GI_JOEJK
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2697219212819574923

After watching this video, I am not so sure who to call the "enemy". It seems as though the US Green Berets participated in the fighting along side the KLA/UCK and Mujahideen fighters (Who were stoned out of there minds) against fellow Christians. And then we get 911 as thanks

I blame Clinton for this.
I agree with you here too.

He had the penchant for going for the politically correct, rather than nesecary. Fighting and supporting the KLA Mujahideen who will no doubt cause future terrorist problems. While ignoring wholesale slaughter and enslavement by militant Muslims in Sudan.
 
July 11th, 2006   Post 8
godofthunder9010
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I don't understand the bit about blaming Clinton. Anyone care to enlighten me? Yes, he partly is to blame for ignoring circumstances in Sudan. No, he was not yet president when the US worked with the Mujadeen in Afganinstan. So what did I miss?
 
July 11th, 2006   Post 9
Maytime
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Lol, everyone blames Ol' Slick Willy for lots of things. Military downsizing is pretty much the only thing for which I blame him, but what a doosy it is.
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July 12th, 2006   Post 10
boris116
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GI_JOEJK
Are these old (pre 911) allies still friends or our enemies now?

Chechen Fighters
KLA/UCK from Kosovo
Mujahideen from various countries
I think, we need to understand a few things before calling somebody an ally.
1. To become an ally of yours, one has to have a common enemy with you.

What common enemy the Chechen fighters have with the US of A?
Russia?
I believe, we want to have her as our ally to fight the terrorists?

2. The level of cooperation between the two allies could be SO different!
Just compare how close were the USA and the UK during the WWII and the same countries with the USSR.
Another example - the islamists (e. g. Bin Laden) and the US.
He always has been an enemy. Bu he shared for a time the same goals with the US. He had different sponsors, different supply routes, just a common enemy...
As soon as this common enemy disappeared, his hostility could be channeled towards the US...
 



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