I do not think that is entirely accurate PJ24, can you give a source?

I do know that the XM-29 has been shelved as too ambitious for the time being. Instead they want to focus on developing a replacement for the M-16 and the air burst XM-25 portion then go back to making the complete XM-29.

However, nothing has really come out to my knowledge since about August and I'm very interested in hearing what decisions have been made durring this black-out.

Originally Posted by Whispering Death

I do not think that is entirely accurate PJ24, can you give a source?

I do know that the XM-29 has been shelved as too ambitious for the time being. Instead they want to focus on developing a replacement for the M-16 and the air burst XM-25 portion then go back to making the complete XM-29.

However, nothing has really come out to my knowledge since about August and I'm very interested in hearing what decisions have been made durring this black-out.

Other than what the R&D guys involved on the project said, nope. A lot of news travels by word of mouth in the big DoD machine. It's a pretty recent move from what I understood, they stopped pumping money into it altogether. Too expensive, too bulky, too heavy same old same old with a lot of these new toys they're trying to plug out. When I get back to my AO, I'll see if I can find out some more information for you.

They are definitely keeping the XM-25 around, and from what I've gathered up, it's showing pretty good potential.

I've always liked the theory of the XM-25 but I've never been sold on the practicallity of the whole OICW weapon.

I really just want to see a replacement for the M-16 NOW rather than waiting for next year... next 5 years... next 10 years... and low and behold it's been 40 years since they first said they where going to try and get a replacement.

Work on the XM-8 program and work on competing programs to that design. Once you've got that handled; then figure out how to integrate XM-25 functionality.

Originally Posted by Whispering Death

I've always liked the theory of the XM-25 but I've never been sold on the practicallity of the whole OICW weapon.

I really just want to see a replacement for the M-16 NOW rather than waiting for next year... next 5 years... next 10 years... and low and behold it's been 40 years since they first said they where going to try and get a replacement.

Work on the XM-8 program and work on competing programs to that design. Once you've got that handled; then figure out how to integrate XM-25 functionality.

XM8 is still on the shelf and to be honest, I kind of hope it stays there. I was never a fan of it. It doesn't offer much of anything over the M16/4 family.

It is an okay weapon, but it doesn't offer much of anything over the M16/4 family. It also weights about a pound more than the M4. One thing I do know for sure, it doesn't live up to the hype that was put out. Of course, to be fair, not much does.

I'd rather see the M16A4 with HK upper and maybe some new mags than the XM8. Myself personally, I'd choose the M4 over the XM8 any day. Most guys either love it or hate you, you don't find many with an inbetween opinion on the XM8. I guess we'll have to wait and see how things turn out.

I love the HK416 and FN SCAR. (shameless plug)

I heard the M-16 have a successer! Any idea wad is it?

Originally Posted by zander_0633

I heard the M-16 have a successer! Any idea wad is it?

It doesn't.

Originally Posted by PJ24

It doesn't.

What about the M-468?

The only problem I see is changing over to another type of round (the 6.8mm).

Originally Posted by jedi078

What about the M-468?

The only problem I see is changing over to another type of round (the 6.8mm).

As a possible replacement? It is in the running, but the 6.8 will cancel it out, not to mention the high price tag on it.

Well that's what I'm saying. Figure out a replacement for the M-16 first. Then get the XM-25 to work. Then put the whole thing together in the OICW last.

What I don't like is just seeing tons of small weapons research over 15 years and we still have nothing to show for it.

Originally Posted by Whispering Death

What I don't like is just seeing tons of small weapons research over 15 years and we still have nothing to show for it.

But remember, if it's bullpup, it doesn't exist.