Your crazy man... That disgusting spew of bullsh*t isn't worthy of a response. I hope for you countries sake that you arn't in the military.

Originally Posted by M0rPh345

Will people stop doing the same mistake over and over again and end the failures of communism. I believe that we shouldn't even help these people. don't feed them, supply them, and then they will collapse into the stone ages where we can then finish them off.

I doubt they would do the same thing for us IF they could. They don't deserve it. What the hell do we owe these commies? They should be thankful that they're not dead right now and the fact that we have done more for them than they've done for us. Let them starve and rot and let God decide their fate in hell.

Burn in Hell Commies!

man, are you from 1950s?

Originally Posted by M0rPh345

Will people stop doing the same mistake over and over again and end the failures of communism. I believe that we shouldn't even help these people. don't feed them, supply them, and then they will collapse into the stone ages where we can then finish them off.

I doubt they would do the same thing for us IF they could. They don't deserve it. What the hell do we owe these commies? They should be thankful that they're not dead right now and the fact that we have done more for them than they've done for us. Let them starve and rot and let God decide their fate in hell.

Burn in Hell Commies!

Wow, you make me look like a pacifist. Don't get me wrong, I would support a war against North Korea but I don't want to kill them all. Get a grip on reality, so long as China is right there North Korea will continue to do whatever they want because the Chinese won't take care of** North Korea and they won't let anyone else do it.

**Note: by "take care of" I do mean a complete, foreceful if necessary, overhaul of the current government.

The thing that everyone seems to have done for whatever reason in this topic so far: Underestimate South Korea. We're not talking about babies lined up and ready for the slaughter. We're talking about a well trained army of 800,000 with superb technology and training. They also have very deep reserves thanks to the mandatory military service requirement of ... it's either 1 year or 2. They are very similar in military technology to the United States. Yes the North has a huge army, but SK's isn't much smaller and its much better equipped than NK. The other big advantage SK has over NK: Population. If NK thinks to win out in a war of attrition, they're stupid. SK has roughly twice the population of NK with virtually all of the male population having already served in the military. Yes, NK has the artillery firepower to smash Seoul to dust. Don't doubt for a minute that SK would not return the favor in kind. If NK ever invades, they'll push past the DMZ initially, but they'd need a miracle to win that war. In terms of military technology, we're talking Gulf War I scenario: SK with smaller, better equipped force = USA with smaller better equipped force vs NK with huge but not so well equipped force = Iraq with a huge but not so well equipped force. The difference for NK:Iraq had some top of the line good hardware, whereas NK has a lot less of it. We also trade off which side attacks. The rough and forested terrain of the Korean peninsula would make it rough on SK and steal some of the advantage of technology, but I remain 100% convinced that SK wins in the end (without any outside intervetion.) The big worry is that China has promised to jump in and help if that war ever starts up again ... and that's a messy scenario indeed.

As far as why NK has been so brazen about their nuclear program, it's hard to say. I do believe that Kim Jong Il is more likely to launch a first strike (in the face of certain overwhelming nuclear devastation coming right back at him) than any other world leader currently. Basically, NK and Cuba are the only hardline Communist regimes left in the world, and that makes them very self conscious and very determined to prove that the ideals of Communism are not truly a failed system.

Originally Posted by WARmachine88

not true, I believe in time of another U.S army coming near Yalu River again, China will still help North Korea,

the whole reason China works so hard in Six-Party talk is that China really really really does not want a war right now and just wanna focus on its tons of domestic problems, and China just hopes that U.S does not go into North Korea again and force CHina to participate in a war.

I disagree. China was worried at the time that if we did invade N.Korea that we might get ballzy and try and invade China or atleast take over assets they had obtained in N.Korea, so they flexed some muscle.

Also we are not uses in .30cal Carbine's and Shermans.

Also 50 years ago we had very few nuclear weapons, now we have enough to blow the world apart 8 times over.

Originally Posted by Damien435

Wow, you make me look like a pacifist. Don't get me wrong, I would support a war against North Korea but I don't want to kill them all. Get a grip on reality, so long as China is right there North Korea will continue to do whatever they want because the Chinese won't take care of** North Korea and they won't let anyone else do it.

**Note: by "take care of" I do mean a complete, foreceful if necessary, overhaul of the current government.

Very true. The ROK's are some hard core mothers. I had a Captian that was in SK and he's said he's never met a more dedicated, hard core people. Also from reading many Veitnam War books, the ROK's destroyed NVA forces.

About North korea's military, yea it's not very sophisticated but numbers do make a difference. In iraq in the first gulf war their army was large but guarding almost the entire border the whole time the coalition attacked them. So their forces at the front couldn't use the advantage of numbers since it wasn't as many as they could have had. In north korea the front line will be about 1 million men since their chinese border should be fairly secure, so you have to contend with that. Also iraq is a very flat country with little in the way of obstacles other than a few rivers and marshland, n korea is mountainous and would be a problem for any invading force to enter especially if all the key roads can be sabotaged by the n korean army.

But if i were a betting man i'd say that n korea would lose since all you have to do is caputere pyonyang or bomb it heavily so that it would be useless as a Hq for the n korean military. But the casualities in such an environment might be higher than might be expected given the ability of the fighting forces.

The food that we give them goes to the governmental officals and the army. Look at the citizens there and tell me if they're being fed.

The Chinese are only helping them because they signed a treaty that if north korea collapses, China will have the land that was north korea. That is the only reason why the chinese are helping them. They're waiting for them to soon collapse and then steal the land.

What some people would do for money and land: allowing people like Kim Jung Il to exist when he should be painfully stoned to death.

Originally Posted by Cadet Seaman

I disagree. China was worried at the time that if we did invade N.Korea that we might get ballzy and try and invade China or atleast take over assets they had obtained in N.Korea, so they flexed some muscle.

Also we are not uses in .30cal Carbine's and Shermans.

Also 50 years ago we had very few nuclear weapons, now we have enough to blow the world apart 8 times over.

lol...you could not use Shermans in high moutains and deep snows (deep mud in spring).

and you think U.S will blow up China without getting it self blowed up partially too?

and by the way, blowing up China requires over 100 nukes and 100 burning cities are enough for a nuke winter.

you think U.S will be alright living under a nuke winter?

This is not 1950s anymore. Another war in Korea will be much much more devastating, and don't expect Chinese will back down because North Korea is China's hired thug. This thug keeps U.S busy and when this thug is dying. China will keep him alive.

They've been asking for trouble for 53 years. they've been doing terrorism and assasination that have failed and killed innocent people.
They only prove to be trash that needs to be disposed of.

I am disappointed by my own people who shows disrespect for the Americans who saved them from the commies. The people are hating Americans and telling them to leave. And guess what? When the Americans were planning to leave, they come back begging and pleading for them to stay. And then they take their anger out on them again.

I know that some americans have been causing trouble, but that doesn't mean all americans are the trash thats been doing crime in Korea and getting away with it. If my fellow koreans had more brain about history, they would appreciated what american has done for them. The things that happened to us are not the fault of every americans, but by the racist human trash who prefer to see us koreans to be less than people and those who thing that they are above the law of the world. Well those trash will be in for a rude awakening.

We should confront China about its aid to north korea and give it a choice.

Support N Korea or Support USA and the rest of the good world.


the Chinese are being too paranoid: typical symptons of communist corruption.