D TOP - thanks for the reply to my question re. Obama's election promises of CHANGE as a vote-catcher. If it is all rhetoric and no explained substance of his vision of a better America, then watch out. The price can be heavy especially if he carries with him a large governing majority.

I have come round to considering McCain, firstly because MontyB recommends him and secondly because he is hot on the militant Islamic threat issue.


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The man of La Mancha.

I have no tolerance to listen to homosexuals rant and rave to my future children about how it's so much better "being open minded." I have no tolerance for this "lets have sex" idea that everyone over the age of 16 is pushing. I have NO tolerance for people that have NO tolerance under the disguise of being open minded.

So essentially, you feel that it is inappropriate for homosexuals to even ask for equal rights, let alone actually get them? I hope your children are preached to everyday how important is to be open minded, people are born black, people are born homosexual, science does kinda prove this. I am glad you support complete un-effective abstinence only education, send your kids to private school however, while im paying tax dollars I want effective Sex Ed taught in the schools, and hell give out some free condoms while there at it. I am young, I've had a girl friend whose daddy and mommy thought she was a little angel, without sex ed, kids just lie. I want my effective sexual education please, no pre-40 grandchildren for me! As for your open mindnesses not being open minded spiel. I have yet to meet a homosexual who thought heterosexuals should not be able to marry, met plenty vice versa.

Why shouldn't homosexuals be allowed to adopt, in my opinion having 2 moms or 2 dads is a crap load better than having neither.


GAY PENGUINS, clearly its a choice.

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Originally Posted by DTop

Those words were not mine. Let me try to make it clear, the point is that Obama has no plans to do anything specific on all other issues other than to claim that he will force an abandonment of Iraq by pulling our military out regardless of the situation. Now if you have any insight into any of his plans, please enlighten me because I don't have a clue about his plan of action, if any.

I see your point and I think I kinda overreacted. Sorry.

Because they are hard core liberal leftists. That scares me.

Yeah, Hillary scares the crap out of me too.

I think America would be a better place if it did go back to the idea of "One Nation Under God." Kids can't get much more screwed up, parents can't care much less, and how many more STDs can be spread around?

There has to be a turning point somewhere.

IMO.

Big problem. When that happens opposition against the government becomes opposition against God...which is a sin. Welcome dictatorship, goodbye democracy.

You are right, I have no tolerance for people that blow others up.

Do you think all Muslims are terrorists?

I have no tolerance for people that tell me I cannot wear a cross in school.

If you're a student you can. If you're not you can't. Secularism.

I have no tolerance to listen to homosexuals rant and rave to my future children about how it's so much better "being open minded."

Ever heard of freedom of speech?

I have no tolerance for this "lets have sex" idea that everyone over the age of 16 is pushing. I have NO tolerance for people that have NO tolerance under the disguise of being open minded.

I used to live in the supurbs of St.Louis. I've seen people go to church every sunday, preach creationism, being anti-stemcell research, anti-gay rights, anti-you name it. And then on the weekends they went to parties, got drunk and got laid.
So I don't think it really is a religion or moral thing.

Regards,
il

Originally Posted by !LH@N

Big problem. When that happens opposition against the government becomes opposition against God...which is a sin. Welcome dictatorship, goodbye democracy.

I believe we have been more free in the past. Why does the government have to become against God? We've been "One Nation Under God," for quite a while now. Well, for the most part.

Originally Posted by !LH@N

Do you think all Muslims are terrorists?

No, it's the ones that blow people up that I think are terrorists. That's just me though.

Originally Posted by !LH@N

Ever heard of freedom of speech?

Freedom this, freedom that. I don't want my kids taught it's healthier to be gay and bisexual than it is to be straight. I don't want them homophobic, but I certainly don't want it taught in schools that it's perfectly okay to experiment with your same-sex friends. (Pretty much what it's coming to).

Originally Posted by !LH@N

I used to live in the supurbs of St.Louis. I've seen people go to church every sunday, preach creationism, being anti-stemcell research, anti-gay rights, anti-you name it. And then on the weekends they went to parties, got drunk and got laid.
So I don't think it really is a religion or moral thing.

You are right about the first part. I believe that is a big reason why Christianity has the reputation it does for some people.

For me Christianity and morals go hand-in-hand.

Originally Posted by Rabs

So essentially, you feel that it is inappropriate for homosexuals to even ask for equal rights, let alone actually get them? I hope your children are preached to everyday how important is to be open minded, people are born black, people are born homosexual, science does kinda prove this. I am glad you support complete un-effective abstinence only education, send your kids to private school however, while im paying tax dollars I want effective Sex Ed taught in the schools, and hell give out some free condoms while there at it. I am young, I've had a girl friend whose daddy and mommy thought she was a little angel, without sex ed, kids just lie. I want my effective sexual education please, no pre-40 grandchildren for me! As for your open mindnesses not being open minded spiel. I have yet to meet a homosexual who thought heterosexuals should not be able to marry, met plenty vice versa.

I believe people hide behind the term "equal rights" for many different purposes, some of those deviant intents. However, I do believe gays should have rights as anyone else. I also believe it is important to be open-minded, tempered with common sense and morals. Common sense to me doesn't say it's smart to run around ****ing every man and woman in sight, and my morals back this theory up.

I 100% back only abstinence only Sex-Ed in schools. Average age for Sex-Ed is what...13 or 14 I think. I don't want my kids knowing how to give a proper blow job at the age of 13. THAT is screwed up. I think it's the parents job (which they are neglecting) to talk to their kids about sex, as for the school system it should be the basics along with the line, "if you are going to have sex use a condom."

Why pave a road and then look back and wonder gee, I thought teaching my child to give a blow job would help her to make the best decision regarding sex (aka not to have it so young), not turn her into a little ****.... (To me that makes zero sense).

Originally Posted by pixiedustboo

I believe we have been more free in the past. Why does the government have to become against God? We've been "One Nation Under God," for quite a while now. Well, for the most part.

I'm sorry I think I didn't explain properly what I meant so you misunderstood me. I'll give it another shot.
When a nation becomes "under God" (by that term I mean kind of theocratic, religion playing a very big role in political life and decision making) then the following happens. Since it is a nation "under God" the laws and politics of that nation are justified through God as coming from God (in form of the Bible, Qur'an, you name the holy book). So that means any opposition to these laws, or to the government, becomes opposition to God (since the government acts in God's name), which is a sin, which means those opposers are going to Hell...and so forth until we don't have a democracy anymore.
I see what you are saying. I do think though that religion should be kept out of politics as extreme as possible.

No, it's the ones that blow people up that I think are terrorists. That's just me though.

It's not just you.

Freedom this, freedom that. I don't want my kids taught it's healthier to be gay and bisexual than it is to be straight. I don't want them homophobic, but I certainly don't want it taught in schools that it's perfectly okay to experiment with your same-sex friends. (Pretty much what it's coming to).

Well, they ain't bein' taught that anyways. Have you ever been to a school recently?

You are right about the first part. I believe that is a big reason why Christianity has the reputation it does for some people.

For me Christianity and morals go hand-in-hand.

Oh, for me too. The thing is just that most people don't have an idea about Christianity, and especially those people from the religious right (I get very mad when I see evangelicals who have billions and preach libertarianism, take a look at this: http://www.zompist.com/meetthepoor.html )

I believe people hide behind the term "equal rights" for many different purposes, some of those deviant intents. However, I do believe gays should have rights as anyone else. I also believe it is important to be open-minded, tempered with common sense and morals. Common sense to me doesn't say it's smart to run around ****ing every man and woman in sight, and my morals back this theory up.

Oh no it doesn't, but it's a free country and you have the right to do that if you want to.

I 100% back only abstinence only Sex-Ed in schools. Average age for Sex-Ed is what...13 or 14 I think. I don't want my kids knowing how to give a proper blow job at the age of 13. THAT is screwed up. I think it's the parents job (which they are neglecting) to talk to their kids about sex, as for the school system it should be the basics along with the line, "if you are going to have sex use a condom."

I feel with you mate, but I have to tell you that the efficiency of abstinence only sex-ed is about 0%.

Why pave a road and then look back and wonder gee, I thought teaching my child to give a blow job would help her to make the best decision regarding sex (aka not to have it so young), not turn her into a little ****.... (To me that makes zero sense).

I was helper in a sex-ed class. And believe me, it's more about STDs and stuff than about giving proper blowjobs.

Regards,
Il

Originally Posted by !LH@N

0%

Make that .002%

Hehe. Worked for me. *Then again I did have morals and certainly beliefs backing that up, and I'm glad I'm waiting. Kids who screw around are totally losing out..*

Originally Posted by pixiedustboo

Make that .002%

Hehe. Worked for me. *Then again I did have morals and certainly beliefs backing that up, and I'm glad I'm waiting. Kids who screw around are totally losing out..*

Well yeah, but it's better to teach teenagers how to use a condom instead of having the AIDS statistic skyrocket, isn't it?
And if they wanna have sex they will anyways, and if not it won't be because of abstinence sex-ed!

Regards,
Il

Originally Posted by WNxRogue

“Of those qualities on which civilization depends, next after courage, it seems to me, comes an open mind."

Haha, yeah I agree, I just posted that quote because it seemed to fit. It's from Warhammer 40,000. Guess sarcasm really doesn't carry over the internet.

From what I've seen in the last 4 years going through high school is that kids will have sex because they've got a very, very strong natural impulse to do so. My freshmen year I'd wager at the VERY least 30% of my (schoolwide) class had lost their virginity. I think we might as well provide condoms free of charge, as well as sex ed - but not the kind that only shows the STDs and makes it look like a terrible idea. That's for the individual to decide for him/herself, hopefully after being taught about it by the parents. No change in society is going to change when people start experimenting. I prefer a lower STD rate to moral superiority. That's why I also favor needle exchange programs for junkies. They can't change overnight, and rehab is pretty much useless unless they themselves want to change, so we might as well limit the damage they do as much as possible. Besides, it saves lives.

I do agree with pixiedustboo on one thing - the open-mindedness preached in schools is sometimes excessive. It's unnerving to see so many kids with two employed parents being raised more by the school system than their parents. Consolidation is not a good thing.

Originally Posted by major liability

Haha, yeah I agree, I just posted that quote because it seemed to fit. It's from Warhammer 40,000. Guess sarcasm really doesn't carry over the internet.

From what I've seen in the last 4 years going through high school is that kids will have sex because they've got a very, very strong natural impulse to do so. My freshmen year I'd wager at the VERY least 30% of my (schoolwide) class had lost their virginity. I think we might as well provide condoms free of charge, as well as sex ed - but not the kind that only shows the STDs and makes it look like a terrible idea. That's for the individual to decide for him/herself, hopefully after being taught about it by the parents. No change in society is going to change when people start experimenting. I prefer a lower STD rate to moral superiority. That's why I also favor needle exchange programs for junkies. They can't change overnight, and rehab is pretty much useless unless they themselves want to change, so we might as well limit the damage they do as much as possible. Besides, it saves lives.

I do agree with pixiedustboo on one thing - the open-mindedness preached in schools is sometimes excessive. It's unnerving to see so many kids with two employed parents being raised more by the school system than their parents. Consolidation is not a good thing.

totally agree!

Freedom this, freedom that. I don't want my kids taught it's healthier to be gay and bisexual than it is to be straight. I don't want them homophobic, but I certainly don't want it taught in schools that it's perfectly okay to experiment with your same-sex friends.

Yeh your right, hell with the first amendment. I hope you accept that its perfectly acceptable to teach that being homosexual or bisexual is perfectly healthy right, and there is nothing directly un-healthy about it.

You are right about the first part. I believe that is a big reason why Christianity has the reputation it does for some people.

For me Christianity and morals go hand-in-hand.

For me they don't, thats why I don't want them in the public school system. You are more than welcome to have you "morals" I just don't want my kids sharing your Christian morals, i prefer to teach my own.

I 100% back only abstinence only Sex-Ed in schools. Average age for Sex-Ed is what...13 or 14 I think. I don't want my kids knowing how to give a proper blow job at the age of 13. THAT is screwed up. I think it's the parents job (which they are neglecting) to talk to their kids about sex, as for the school system it should be the basics along with the line, "if you are going to have sex use a condom."

Why pave a road and then look back and wonder gee, I thought teaching my child to give a blow job would help her to make the best decision regarding sex (aka not to have it so young), not turn her into a little ****.... (To me that makes zero sense).

On a side note, I figure it would make a lot of high school guys across the country very happy if they taught girls how to actually give a blow job, sadly at least in Parkersburg thats not the case.

Also abstinence only education does not encourage the use of condoms so you kinda contradicted yourself. I am more along the lines of

"It's better not to have sex, if you do use a condom, and there are other means of "interaction" besides vaginal intercourse which can cause STDs. Abstinence is the only surefire way to avoid STDs."

And your right parents dont talk to their kids, and the schools should give the information thats needed.