Great. I don't like either of these candidates at all and if it came down to a choice between them I'd probably vote third party knowing that my vote won't really count.

Who will you vote for this year? Big business or parent state?

Originally Posted by DTop

I for one, don't know of any specific changes he has proposed. It seems he's being purposely non-specific as many politicians do. After a qucik search on the net, I see that I'm not alone.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pitt.../s_539980.html

yeah, invade their country without any real reason and then nuke 'em because some of them don't give up. That's the way to go.

Regards,
Il

PS: WW2 where a lot different than Iraq

Those words were not mine. Let me try to make it clear, the point is that Obama has no plans to do anything specific on all other issues other than to claim that he will force an abandonment of Iraq by pulling our military out regardless of the situation. Now if you have any insight into any of his plans, please enlighten me because I don't have a clue about his plan of action, if any.

Originally Posted by major liability

Great. I don't like either of these candidates at all and if it came down to a choice between them I'd probably vote third party knowing that my vote won't really count.

Who will you vote for this year? Big business or parent state?

I think that's a bit of an oversimplification. But for a simple answer, I'll decide which candidate most closely agrees with my views and vote for that one.

DTOP

I think one merely needs to read the history of the Robber Barons at the end of the 19th century as an illustration of what happens when Big Business is left to its own devices...It was a sort of neo-feudalism, the workers were horribly exploited while a select few Billionaires controlled everything. All this talk about Laissez-Faire business and Free-Trade is simply a clever disguise to steal and exploit people. This will never change as its the nature of the business, big corporations is a predatory animal and it has no limits to its greed. We have already seen them orchestrate a war for their own devices.

And yes Democrats also have their link to the Corporate boardroom. Thats why Hillary is doing so badly, its hard to believe she has oridinary people's best interests at heart when she sat on the Board of directors at Wal-Mart for 6 years. We don't need a Democratic version of Dick Cheney as President.

As for the Religious Right. The problem is that wish to impose their religious views on the entire country. They talk a good line, but that really is their agenda. Like all Fundimentalist they have no tolerence for people that dont share their views. George Bush is a example, and hes a lightweight compared to people like Robertson, or Dobson. Huckabee is cut from the same cloth. I am not gay, but if I were I would be very worried about some of the comments he made about homosexuality. The Christian Rights views include homophobia, religious intolerance (anti-Mormonism), and a very strict and narrow interpretation of Christian doctrine much like al Qaeda. And like al-Qaeda they are not opposed to using violence and terrorism to push their views. If I oppose such views from Islamic fundamentalists I certain oppose these views from Christians.

I would rather support the corporate crooks.

Geez mmarsh, it took you long enough to get here!
Anyway, I think that to be fair, for as many evils that you can contribute to big business, there are at least an equal number attributable to big government.
I don't consider the President a fundamentalist Christian. I mean his own family doesn't belong o the same church. If I recall correctly, his brother Jebb is a Catholic and they seem to get along fine.
I'd consider him a conservative but so are many people in the GOP and Democratic parties. I think while he may not agree with some of the views of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, he doesn't advocate its destruction. That would be intolerance, Al-Qaeda style. It's unfair to lump them together regardless of one's blind hatred of the GOP.

Originally Posted by WNxRogue

May I ask why?

Because they are hard core liberal leftists. That scares me.

I think America would be a better place if it did go back to the idea of "One Nation Under God." Kids can't get much more screwed up, parents can't care much less, and how many more STDs can be spread around?

There has to be a turning point somewhere.

IMO.

Originally Posted by mmarsh

As for the Religious Right. The problem is that wish to impose their religious views on the entire country. They talk a good line, but that really is their agenda. Like all Fundimentalist they have no tolerence for people that dont share their views.

I adore being religiously right.

You are right, I have no tolerance for people that blow others up. I have no tolerance for people that tell me I cannot wear a cross in school. I have no tolerance to listen to homosexuals rant and rave to my future children about how it's so much better "being open minded." I have no tolerance for this "lets have sex" idea that everyone over the age of 16 is pushing. I have NO tolerance for people that have NO tolerance under the disguise of being open minded.

"An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded."

I don't think the problems with today's youth (myself included) stem from a lack of faith or values. I'd say it has something to do with the narcissism and boundless individuality that is encouraged by the media, and ignorance on the part of the parents - but you really can't blame them for everything, considering both parents are usually working these days.

I adore being religiously right.

You are right, I have no tolerance for people that blow others up. I have no tolerance for people that tell me I cannot wear a cross in school. I have no tolerance to listen to homosexuals rant and rave to my future children about how it's so much better "being open minded." I have no tolerance for this "lets have sex" idea that everyone over the age of 16 is pushing.

Being open minded also created a lot of the basic things we know today. For example, thanks to open-mindedness we know the earth revolves around the sun. We know the world is not flat, and we know that it is possible to construct a machine that flies.

I have NO tolerance for people that have NO tolerance under the disguise of being open minded.

Just making sure I comprehend this right, you are in no way open minded? Or are you saying that you are, but have tolerance and an open mind? Because in this paragraph you talked about having no tolerance......sorry this last sentence confused me some.

"An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded."

“Of those qualities on which civilization depends, next after courage, it seems to me, comes an open mind."

Originally Posted by WNxRogue

Because in this paragraph you talked about having no tolerance......sorry this last sentence confused me some.

Hell, that last sentence confused me too. No, I didn't mean that I was entirely not open-minded. What I meant to convey was the point that people that are so open-minded and tolerant of others (so they say) aren't really open-minded and tolerant. And that is something that I really have no time for.

Oh I see.....sorry I got really confused O_o