Originally Posted by Kiwi

What wars?

like i said, the New Zealand land wars

In the first three wars Māori fought the British to a standstill each time. They had no wish to beat the British settlers or to drive them from New Zealand[citation needed]. From the engagements emerged an understanding: English law prevailed in the townships and settlements, and Māori law and customs elsewhere. There followed a period of relative peace and economic cooperation from 1848 to 1860.
During this time European settlement accelerated and in about 1859 the number of Pākehā came to equal the number of Māori, at around 60,000 each[citation needed]. By now Pākehā had largely forgotten the painful lessons of the earlier conflicts. They tried to use military might to push through a very dubious land sale that one of their own courts later repudiated. The result was the First Taranaki War. Once again the local British forces were more than evenly matched by Māori[citation needed], and after twelve months both sides were happy to settle for a draw.
However this was clearly just a preliminary. The British settlers were not prepared to countenance Māori controlling and ruling most of the North Island. War broke out again in 1863 with the Invasion of the Waikato. The Waikato War, including the Tauranga Campaign, was the biggest of all the New Zealand Wars. The outcome of this war was the major confiscation of Māori land, which quickly provoked the Second Taranaki War. By the mid 1860s the conflict had forced the closing of all the native schools.
The period from the second half of 1864 until early 1868 was relatively quiet. Possibly the most notorious incident during this time was the murder of the missionary Carl Volkner. There were also two serious intra-tribal conflicts, civil wars in Māori tribes, between adherents and non-adherents of the Pai Marire or Hau Hau sect—a vehemently anti-Pākehā religious group which was intent upon destabilizing the developing cooperation between the Māori and Pākehā. These are sometimes known as the East Cape War, but that label oversimplifies a complicated series of conflicts.

Large areas of land were confiscated from Māori by the government, under the New Zealand Settlements Act in 1863, supposedly as punishment for rebellion. [1] In reality, land was confiscated from both "loyal" and "rebel" tribes alike. More than four million acres (16,000 km²) of land in total was confiscated. Although about half of this was subsequently paid for or returned to Māori, it was often not returned to its original owners. [2] The confiscations had a lasting impact on the social and economic development of the tribes affected.
The legacy of the New Zealand Wars continues, but these days the battles are mostly fought in courtrooms and around the negotiation table. Numerous reports by the Waitangi Tribunal have criticised Crown actions during the wars, and in one instance, found that Māori too had breached the Treaty. [3]
The Crown has conceded that aspects of the warfare and confiscation breached the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi, and apologised for its actions in relation to Waikato TainuiTaranaki and Bay of Plenty tribes, as part of negotiated settlements of these tribes' historical claims (Treaty of Waitangi claims and settlements). [4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_land_wars

Lets not forget land such as the old Raglan golf course that was commandeered by the government during WW2 and then sold off when no longer needed.

Originally Posted by Infern0

like i said, the New Zealand land wars


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_land_wars

What about it?

I am surpised you haven't got the pic of Honi cutting the flag pole down

LMAO.

When did they sell their land for, I'm guessing, Rum and Beads?

and Guns, they were not stupid. And BTW Whites never invaded New Zealand they were welcomed.

History has shown that those not willing to sell land and move on to make way for Invading Europeans were killed outright.

Thats right the moari tribes killed their own people off from other tribes to steal land rights to sell.

If anything Moaris need to be giving it back to the real owners the Moriori, which the moaris have choosen to try and wipe out of the history books.

Moriori's are the Natives and sole owners of New Zealand. A very peace lot that were killed off by the Moaris and their land and culture stolen.

Maoris are Polynesian people originating from south-east Asia, they are NOT natives.

Originally Posted by Kiwi

and Guns, they were not stupid. And BTW Whites never invaded New Zealand they were welcomed.

Word is the Pilgrims were welcomed by the Indigs here, and everyone lived happily ever after in the North East. However, factual history, instead of mythology, has shown this to be a falsehood.

I wasn't around back then, likewise, I was not around when the Indigs of what is now New Zealand were first meeting the White Man, I'm told History is written by the Victors though.

The world was a vastly different place several hundred years ago and the attitudes and expectations of people were very different to those of today. Colonisation and the resultant displacement and sometimes murder of native people was an accepted practice. If anyone knows how to change the past please get in touch with me, we'll make a fortune.

We can't change the past so let's get on with improving the future and trying (where possible) to make amends for the injustices of the past.

It's a bit like the guy who was recently released after serving 18 years for a violent rape, DNA evidence finally cleared him. We will never be able to give that part of his life back to him, all that can be done is to try and make amends.

Originally Posted by Gator

Word is the Pilgrims were welcomed by the Indigs here, and everyone lived happily ever after in the North East. However, factual history, instead of mythology, has shown this to be a falsehood.

I wasn't around back then, likewise, I was not around when the Indigs of what is now New Zealand were first meeting the White Man, I'm told History is written by the Victors though.

So you would discount history its self. Both side agree on this fact Gator, its called reseaching.

Which many have failed to do.

Do you even know what a Moirori is Gator? Noticed the thread has come to a stop because I mentioned them.

This is apart of history that proves what the liberals in this world don't like.

Its like if I commented on US history, which I know some but in general terms of course.

I think your attempt to understand and compare the cultures was great, but we are not the same and never will be.

While there is still some of us that know the truth we will manage to keep at least one race from becoming removed from history.

I do not see how the Moriori story is relevant to the thread, they were not the original inhabitants of New Zealand they were the "more than likely" the original inhabitants of the Chatham Islands and are thought to be from the same area as Maori.

I am assuming you are trying to dredge up the stories about them being the original inhabitants of New Zealand and being brutally slaughtered by Maori invaders however it is now accepted that this is not the case and in fact the Moriori decline was in part caused by the European transport of Maori to the Chatham Islands.

But anyway I will let you read it for yourself.

http://www.teara.govt.nz/NewZealande...s/Moriori/4/en

Originally Posted by Kiwi

While there is still some of us that know the truth we will manage to keep at least one race from becoming removed from history.

Which Race would that be?

Originally Posted by Gator

Which Race would that be?

Moriori

@ Monty : I have been busy working, and dismissing a whole race is something I do except from you, and Honi Keke.

There is a similar precedent here in Australia, indicating that our present day Aboriginals are not the original inhabitants of Australia and are themselves migrants. In 1974 remains of a much more primitive man was found at Lake Mungo in NSW this species disappeared (32 -38000 years ago) shortly after the arrival of our present day aboriginals who are of Dravidian (Indian sub continent) descent.

I can hardly see this as justification of our present day treatment of our Aboriginals, but it does sink the argument that they are the "owners" of the land. They, like us are merely occupiers.