I am under the impression that some stay on the beaten track and play the "broken-record-strategy". Don't you see that this is a chance to devise a plan, a complete new plan. Here you can make and regulate everything your way. The government has the role of an arbiter. You know compagnies are in it for the money and your government isn't in this one for crowd-control or something. And the best part is that you get to vote directly, so if you don't like that plan don't vote on it.

When reading the posts I just get convinced that there is a lot of politcal cowardice. Nobody dares to give the democratic powers back to the demos; the people. You'd need a truly inspiring leader to waking the ones who are the power in a democracy. But these are hard to come by.

And Rob, I am glad that you agree with me that it would be easier. It makes me feel that I convinced you a little

Not so much cowardice as money. Most of our polictians are the pockets of lobbyists and fill their campaign chests thru "donations" from special interest groups. So in a sense cowardice does come into play.....their afraid to loose the money.

I'm pretty sure they get their arm twisted too.
Large companies have their own little squads of dirt diggers... dig a little dirt on a politician and give him an offer. You take the money or the press get a hold of something "interesting" from an "anonymous" source.
Makes you wonder why the military has so little political power. If they can have seats in government so should the military.

Originally Posted by Ted

I am under the impression that some stay on the beaten track and play the "broken-record-strategy". Don't you see that this is a chance to devise a plan, a complete new plan. Here you can make and regulate everything your way. The government has the role of an arbiter. You know compagnies are in it for the money and your government isn't in this one for crowd-control or something. And the best part is that you get to vote directly, so if you don't like that plan don't vote on it.

When reading the posts I just get convinced that there is a lot of politcal cowardice. Nobody dares to give the democratic powers back to the demos; the people. You'd need a truly inspiring leader to waking the ones who are the power in a democracy. But these are hard to come by.

And Rob, I am glad that you agree with me that it would be easier. It makes me feel that I convinced you a little

Another thing, Ted... Look what you posted... "You'd need a truly inspiring leader to waking the ones who are the power in a democracy." I know it's not what you meant by it, but to me, and probably to a lot of those afraid to lose their money, that sounds almost Hitler-esque... But yes, I do agree that on certain issues, the politicians COULD be kept out...



An interesting side note on the health care side of it... A recent poll from NPR has shown that about 63% of DOCTORS favor a private AND public option of health care, and 10% favor ONLY the public option.


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...60&sc=fb&cc=fp


What say you naysayers to the fact that the physicians who actually care for you are pushing for the mixed option?

Originally Posted by Rob Henderson

Another thing, Ted... Look what you posted... "You'd need a truly inspiring leader to waking the ones who are the power in a democracy." I know it's not what you meant by it, but to me, and probably to a lot of those afraid to lose their money, that sounds almost Hitler-esque... But yes, I do agree that on certain issues, the politicians COULD be kept out...



An interesting side note on the health care side of it... A recent poll from NPR has shown that about 63% of DOCTORS favor a private AND public option of health care, and 10% favor ONLY the public option.


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...60&sc=fb&cc=fp


What say you naysayers to the fact that the physicians who actually care for you are pushing for the mixed option?

While you were listening to NPR & thier AMA survey(AMA represents only 18% of Doctors) I was listening to Neal Boortz & he was covering a survey of the whole field of Doctors. Considerably different results. Majority oppose the plans in Washington & up to 45% might quit if it passes. Linky

Your survey took the opinions of 1,376 physicians... The NPR survey surveyed more than 2,000...


Which one took more again?


SORRY!

Well it's not so much as to how many (though you'd think at least 2,000 would be neccessary) but how and who.
This sort of thing is too easy to manipulate.

And a survey from "investors.com" is NOT where I want my information about doctors coming from...

Originally Posted by 03USMC

Not so much cowardice as money. Most of our polictians are the pockets of lobbyists and fill their campaign chests thru "donations" from special interest groups. So in a sense cowardice does come into play.....their afraid to loose the money.

True, that some are coericed. And sometimes not just campaign contributions it can be downright blackmail. For example they say if we dont get "X" we will move the factory in your district to Indonesia, put all your supporters on the unemployment line.

But even worse are those that are willing to cullude with Lobbiests against the public interest. They make deals that promise "consultancy" jobs once they are out of office. You go to any lobbiest group or think-tank on J or K street in Washington DC and you will see thats its a dumping aground for used politicans. (Personally I'd dump them in the Potomac with the rest of the leeches but that poor river is polluted enough).

Originally Posted by Rob Henderson

Your survey took the opinions of 1,376 physicians... The NPR survey surveyed more than 2,000...


Which one took more again?


SORRY!

And weather it supports your position or not.