http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/...ahu/index.html

Now lets sit back and see what happens...

i think that with Barak Obama it is the best Bibi could get,and if the palestines will have no army than thats a very nice achevment.
though i wont get a chance to get Humos from Gaza lol i think this could benefit both Israel and the palsetinines.
moreover the Iranian Nuke can get more attantion from the US and the world.

one thing i do not understand is why on earth wioth all the hunger a\in the world,with the sudan crisis and all the Poverty in the wrold,how can one little bnuilding in one little settelment makes a diffrence to Ms Hussian.

The more relevent qestion is why with all the roblems Israel has we go into trouble for one little building in a settelment.

because naturally men and women want to have babies

What do the Palestineans think about this?

because naturally men and women want to have babies

That is true but there are prices to pay for peace and security. One of these prices is that we cant expand the settelments and at the same time claim we will eventually leave them.

What do the Palestineans think about this?

From their initial responses they want more. The palestinians want israel to start negotiations after it already gave up everything. Hammas wont recognize Israel anyhoh. Even the PLO wont. So we are building towers in the air.

This is very different tune he was singing a few months ago. Ill believe it when I see it, but frankly I seriously doubt Netanyahu turned over a new leaf. Actions speak louder than words.

There is something else that bugs me too which casts doubt on Bibi's intentions. Netanyahu said a "demilitarized Palestine". What country would ever be foolish enough to strip itself of all military protection, especially with a hostile nation next door? If hamas were to offer recognizition to Isreal on the condition that Isreal completely demilitarize do you honestly think Isreal would ever agree to it? I think not.

So can we honestly expect the Palestinians to agree to those ridiculous terms? This sounds more like political maneuvering to accommodate Washington than any real attempt to find peace. I think the Isrealis know perfectly well the Palestineans would not accept such terms.

mmarsh...Dear mmarsh. Sometimes you surprise me with your thinking. Ofcourse it has to be demiliterized. You really expect Israel to allow a real army 20 minutes drive from Tel Aviv? Demiliterized dose not mean no guns, no RPGs. It means no airforce. No tanks. No artillery. And they shouldent have a hostile state, there wil be peace.

The Palestinians wont agree. Even if he wouldent say demiliterized they wouldent agree. They refuse to accept Israel as a state, that is the main problem, and the first problem. We have no reached it quite easily. We are willing to accept their rights, they are not willing to accept ours.

And ofcourse its political manuvering. Everything is political manuvering.

i think that Netanyahu is treading a dangerous line. He has publicly embraced the 2 State solution, whilst setting the conditions to ensure that it never happens.

Absolutely the State of Israel must be recognised by the Arab world. By the same token Israel has got to do something a bit more than say we won't move until everyone else does.

I am sympathetic to Israel, but even I'm getting a bit fed up with this belief that the USA will support Israel, so the state will do what it wants.

There is a hell of a long way to go, after all this situation was centuries in the making, so these are hopefully just the opening negotiating positions.

Originally Posted by SHERMAN

mmarsh...Dear mmarsh. Sometimes you surprise me with your thinking. Ofcourse it has to be demiliterized. You really expect Israel to allow a real army 20 minutes drive from Tel Aviv? Demiliterized dose not mean no guns, no RPGs. It means no airforce. No tanks. No artillery. And they shouldent have a hostile state, there wil be peace.

The Palestinians wont agree. Even if he wouldent say demiliterized they wouldent agree. They refuse to accept Israel as a state, that is the main problem, and the first problem. We have no reached it quite easily. We are willing to accept their rights, they are not willing to accept ours.

And ofcourse its political manuvering. Everything is political manuvering.

Yes actually I do. Put yourself in the Palestinean shoes for a moment, after living under 30 years of occupation do you really think they would give up their human right to self-defense? Of course not, Nobody would. As I said, if Isreal were given that type of condition for peace by Iran would it accept? So why does it insist on terms that Isreal herself wouldnt accept on herself. Every nation has the right to self-defense, including Palestine. Besides a unprotected Palestine would be a very attractive target to one of the Arab dicators, and I dont think the IDF will go rushing to Palestine's Defense in such a situation.

Frankly it would be far much better for Isreal Security if Palestine did have an Army. A fully trained and equiped Army thats loyal to the Palestinean Government, rather than the current situation of splinter groups under no central control that operate independantly and are answerable to no one. Thats far more dangerous in my book.

I could see creating a demilitarized zone like the one seperating the two Korea's, but to insist that the ENTIRE country be unarmed is just not going to happen. As Partisan said talking Peace while placing conditions that ensure peace doesnt happen is not really talking peace. The Palestineans will reject catagorically such a deal and I dont blame them.