Originally Posted by mmarsh

I could see creating a demilitarized zone like the one seperating the two Korea's, but to insist that the ENTIRE country be unarmed is just not going to happen. As Partisan said talking Peace while placing conditions that ensure peace doesnt happen is not really talking peace. The Palestineans will reject catagorically such a deal and I dont blame them.

Given the size of the territory on offer here there is no way they could implement a demilitarised zone.

Originally Posted by MontyB

Given the size of the territory on offer here there is no way they could implement a demilitarised zone.

There is already a no-mans land around Jerusalem. And yes it couldnt be a big area, but it could be large enough to keep out the smaller stuff like RPGs and short range stuff. I dont see the Palestineans having a massive army anyway, they are broke would would pay for it?

i believe bibi was talking about the big toys, not some RPG's

do you think that a country would need an amry after its only enemy has peace with them?
i know that 2 years after Israel gets her peace with the arab world the military would be much smaller,becasue there wil be no need to.
but when u are facing a country wose leaers are breaking their own agrremnts and killing each other(!) then i would say,go ahead give them a country,army,air force,tank.(i was sarcastic ofcourse) the "palastinias" sould be hapy they get anything at all.
becasue as we know,and as the french know (that is for mmarsh) the one who has the greater streanght gets to decide what is going to happen look up WW1 WW2 and see what the french and britains told the Germans to do and they agreed because they just had to.
now if there will be no peace after the "palastinias" get their country,or there will be but they will break it,and thuier 300 tanks would go stright to Tel-Aviv and Haifa and Rishon what would the world say then?
the world must understand that these men want the whole cake,and will no settle for least and the world has got to understand that it is it's duty to stop them.

Originally Posted by viewer

i believe bibi was talking about the big toys, not some RPG's

And what does that change? All countries are entitled to self-defense. Isreal cannot reasonably expect that Palestine would accept such a stipulation. No country would. The right of self-defense is a guerenteed right of all nations. Would Isreal accept peace with Iran if Iran held demilitarization of a condition of the peace agreement? Nobody would accept that.

but when Israel uses its right of self defense the entire world is angry with her
just making a point

Originally Posted by EladBell

but when Israel uses its right of self defense the entire world is angry with her
just making a point

No, its not that Isreal defends itself but thats because Isreal use of force is often disproportionate to the threat faced. The last round of attacks in Gaza resulted in over 1000 dead, most of which were civilians (many children too). The number of Isreals was (I believe 50) or so.

I remember a rather egrigious case a few years back where the IAF dropped a bomb on an Apartment killing a terrorist, but also killing the 20 other people whose sole crime was to live at the same building as the terrorist.

Thats what makes the world angry.

Oh and BTW, Read my sig: Im American, I work In France.

so if u are american then u guys ( and i support it greatly dont get me wrong) destroyed 3 countries becasue 2 buidlings fell on u.
remember ww2? Drezden? about 250K women and children were killed.

back to Israel,1300 or so were killed there in Gaza 1/3 of which were civillians.
when a man shot rockets at your children from a building with even 100 inncoent men you WILL destroy that building.
let alone after u said u will bomb that building 3 days ago and warned the families and told them to get out of there.

back to the topic,with Obama in office even the extreamest right wingers would do the same as Bibi.
and Israel has come to help another nation when it was attacked,look up Lebanon-Syria conflict
we live here man,and we know way better than u what is going on and what is REALLY the case,when u will get rockets on your rooftop for 8-9 years and rais your kids in that place i would want to see u act nicly towards your enemy.

Originally Posted by EladBell

one thing i do not understand is why on earth wioth all the hunger a\in the world,with the sudan crisis and all the Poverty in the wrold,how can one little bnuilding in one little settelment makes a diffrence to Ms Hussian.

It will make a difference because this one little building is in one little settlement that symbolizes the entire issue. After the Oslo agreement this isn't supposed to happen anymore. You know that the entire world press will be on every little building in every little settlement. If you really think that building there is just some stone and plaster with a roof on top, than you have another thing coming.

And the offer Bibi made is as likely to succeed as me being able to fly on my own. Of course you can safely suggest demilitarisation, because the Palestinians will never agree. And now Bibi can say; at least we make propositions! Not really constructive is it?

Originally Posted by mmarsh

And what does that change? All countries are entitled to self-defense. Isreal cannot reasonably expect that Palestine would accept such a stipulation. No country would. The right of self-defense is a guerenteed right of all nations. Would Isreal accept peace with Iran if Iran held demilitarization of a condition of the peace agreement? Nobody would accept that.

as monty stated demilitarised zone wont work (your suggestion) if we will give them the right to own the big toys (your suggestion). it isn't acceptable for us so we are back in square one.....

edit: what is the purpose of peace? i think in our case its guarantee of safety. now can you honestly say that when they'll get sufficient amount of the big toys they wont start playing with them? with the hamas "charity" organization washing their brain on a daily basis, with their local news channels and school education would you count on them avoiding a mad rush towards Tel Aviv once well equipped?