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March 2nd, 2006   Post 21
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en...Isreal was created after WW2...and the land of Isreal was indeed controlled by Arabians before the Jewish people immigrated to there in large numbers in the later period of WW2
No, Israelis were migrating to the so-called Palestine since early 20th century.
 
March 2nd, 2006   Post 22
chinese-canadian
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and there were less then 100,000 Jews in there before the later period of WW2, so arabians were the majority and in control of the land of Isreal during that time
 
March 2nd, 2006   Post 23
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and there were less then 100,000 Jews in there before the later period of WW2, so arabians were the majority and in control of the land of Isreal during that time
And your point?
 
March 2nd, 2006   Post 24
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And your point?
His point is that the Muslim cleric didn't need any backing from the Nazis against Jewish settlers since they were still a minority and the whole region was under a British League of Nations mandate anyway. So the Brítish were their main problem, not Jewish settlers.
 
March 3rd, 2006   Post 25
chinese-canadian
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Originally Posted by Obvious

Islam was worst than I thought.
These kind of comment drive lots of Arabians into isolation and alienation.

Never generalize a religion and a group of people plz.
 
March 3rd, 2006   Post 26
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His point is that the Muslim cleric didn't need any backing from the Nazis against Jewish settlers since they were still a minority and the whole region was under a British League of Nations mandate anyway. So the Brítish were their main problem, not Jewish settlers.
Check these out

http://tellthechildrenthetruth.com/

http://tellthechildrenthetruth.com/amin_en.html
 
March 3rd, 2006   Post 27
chinese-canadian
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en...Jihad is a very old concept, not related to Nazi stuff at all,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad#Philosophy_of_Jihad

Nazism itself is based on racism against all races except the so called Aryan race it self.
Jihad is the holy war of Muslims...

apple and orange, two different things
 
March 3rd, 2006   Post 28
Mohmar Deathstrike
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Originally Posted by phoenix80
I get it. Everything they don't like in the world is this AMIN AL-HUSSEINI-character's fault...

Factual error: "Young Egypt’s political slogan “One Folk, One Party, One Leader” is a direct translation from German of Nazi slogan."

The real Nazi slogan was "One people, one empire, one leader"

The whole site looks very amateurish and hastily done to me. But I'm not going to discredit it just yet.
 
March 4th, 2006   Post 29
Ollie Garchy
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Point 1: It seems that people like to link everything that is evil to nazism. According to Chomsky, the words "nazism" or "fascism" only have a pejorative meaning. The contemporary world, he points out, forgets that nazism was a real ideology. As an ideology and not as some satanic cult of vampires, nazism espoused a set of viewpoints. Some of these viewpoints, like respecting your mother and family, are actually admired today. Others are not. Treating all of the opponents of nazism as somehow good, like Churchill who said that he would make a pact with the devil himself to fight Hitler, only demonstrates a crude understanding of morality and the world itself. Stalin's ideological warriors killed far more people than Hitler's racial warriors. Was he a nazi too? How about Mao? Or maybe Tito? Maybe the Ruandese are actually neo-nazis?

Point 2: The coorelation of Islam with Nazism is profoundly absurd. The argument runs like this:

1. Islam tends to despise the Jews
2. Hitler hated the Jews
Conclusion: Islam and Nazism are therefore linked.

This argument is worthy of "Medieval Times". It is specious, fallacious, deceptive and stupid. Anything can be connected. Try these examples:

1. Bart likes the colour red
2. The nazi flag had the colour red
Conclusion: Bart is a nazi.

Or maybe this one:

1. Bart loves his mother
2. Hitler loved his mother
Conclusion: Bart thinks like Hitler.

Or maybe this one:

1. Bart hates Jews
2. Hitler hated Jews
Conclusion: Bart thinks like Hitler.

Point 3: Many nations sided with Hitler for a host of reasons: strategic (Finland), political (Hungary), coercion (Vichy France), ethnic tensions (Slovakia), ideological (Spain), etc. The Irish for example entertained a high opinion of Nazi-Germany. Why? Centuries of oppression by the English made them look favourably on England's enemies. Why? The enemy of our enemy is our friend. It is that simple. The Irish were not bitter antisemites. Nor were most of Germany's allies for that matter.

This post is merely trying to fight the modern tendency to reduce complex historical developments to some pathetic display of medieval logic. We can only learn from the Nazi disaster if we at least try to understand the complexities of the era. We learn nothing if we reduce the issue to the brutally simplistic dichotomy of good/evil found in "Star Wars" or most Hollywood movies.

By the way, simply quoting Himmler or Hitler is meaningless and futile. For every quote that supports one argument, others destroy it. Hitler for example admired Britain at one moment and hated the island the next. Hitler even spoke admiringly of Poles and other Slavs on occasion. Anyway, Hitler was often visibly amused by Himmler's ideas. To suggest that a side comment by Himmler or Rosenberg or even Hitler was Nazi doctrine is absurd. Ideologies and governments do not work that way. Many things are stated and debated. But there is only one direction of action. And that action is more often pragmatic than it is ideological.
 
March 5th, 2006   Post 30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ollie Garchy

1. Islam tends to despise the Jews
2. Hitler hated the Jews
Conclusion: Islam and Nazism are therefore linked.
1. Al Qaida tends to despise the USA
2. Saddam hates the USA
Conclusion: Alpha Quebec and the Baath are therefore linked.
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Originally Posted by Ollie Garchy
1. Bart hates Jews
2. Hitler hated Jews
Conclusion: Bart thinks like Hitler.
1. Eric Cartman hates Jews
2. Hitler hated Jews
Conclusion: Cartman dresses like Hitler
Now this is actually true!
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Originally Posted by Ollie Garchy
Point 3: Many nations sided with Hitler for a host of reasons: strategic (Finland), political (Hungary), coercion (Vichy France), ethnic tensions (Slovakia), ideological (Spain), etc. The Irish for example entertained a high opinion of Nazi-Germany. Why? Centuries of oppression by the English made them look favourably on England's enemies. Why? The enemy of our enemy is our friend. It is that simple. The Irish were not bitter antisemites. Nor were most of Germany's allies for that matter.
Even fascist Italy became antisemitic because of Nazi pressure.