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February 17th, 2006   Post 11
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hmm... I dont know.. but Kuwait was an allie of Great Britain during ww2 and one as well.. It was a British protectorate from 1899 till 1961. After that, alot of communications still remained with the two nations.. and its going on till the present day..
As a matter of fact, Britain found some good uses from Kuwait in the world wars.

In ww1, Kuwait was agains the Ottoman empire.
The kuwaiti fishing and trading boats had the Turkish flags on. Because of that reason, the British ships fired at them mistaken them for Turkish. After this incident, Kuwait changed its flags.
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February 24th, 2006   Post 12
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I see the point of this, but I have to say that it doesn't really prove anything in the end. I am more opposed to radical Islam than most, but this just seems like more misunderstanding of the Waffen SS.....again. The SS was not strictly a unit for killing innocents or whatever, but the an elite force in itself.
Yes, Himmler used the traditional Muslim/Jewish rivalry to keep Slavic Muslims loyal to Nazi ideals.....but that kind of usury should go without saying. Himmler himself thought very little of these men, and refused to even acknowledge their Slavic heritage, claiming that they descended from the Huns.

Even with the obvious comparison between Nazism and radical Islam, this recruitment was to supplement the ranks however possible.
 
February 28th, 2006   Post 13
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Originally Posted by Doppleganger
I'm sorry but this is utter nonsense. The Nazi's persecuted and drove religion underground (all religions) - it had no place in the Third Reich. The Nazis sided with the Arabs because of a common 'enemy', namely the Jews, nothing more. The Nazis recruited Muslims and Arabs into the Waffen SS because they began to run very short on manpower from 1943 onwards. That is the only reason that any non-aryans ever got into the ranks of the Waffen SS.
There are two mistakes in your posts: Most top brass Nazis were christian. They were only against those church officials who dared to challenge their views, not against the christian religion per se. The main common enemy of the Nazis and some Muslims were the British, who had colonized vast porions of the Muslim world.

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February 28th, 2006   Post 14
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There are two mistakes in your posts: Most top brass Nazis were christian. They were only against those church officials who dared to challenge their views, not against the christian religion per se.
I would say that almost all Germans were Christian at that time. never mind the Nazi Top Brass. However, organised religion as you and I would understand it, including Christianity, had no place in the 3rd Reich. The Nazis were closer to paganism in their actual beliefs. Certainly Hitler borrowed much of his ideology and imagery from Norse and old Germanic folklore.
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February 28th, 2006   Post 15
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But I'm sure I've read stuff about Hitler and other Nazis saying that they were doing "god's work". Also, there were many clerics who became nazis. So I'd refine your statemnet and say "organized religion had no place unless it was under the nazi's sphere of influence". They did borrow from Norse, zoroastrian and possibly even Tibetan(??) mythology. I think they wanted to create a new nazi religion mixing all those with elements of christianity.
 
February 28th, 2006   Post 16
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But I'm sure I've read stuff about Hitler and other Nazis saying that they were doing "god's work". Also, there were many clerics who became nazis. So I'd refine your statemnet and say "organized religion had no place unless it was under the nazi's sphere of influence". They did borrow from Norse, zoroastrian and possibly even Tibetan(??) mythology. I think they wanted to create a new nazi religion mixing all those with elements of christianity.
And strange pagan Ideas!
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February 28th, 2006   Post 17
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But I'm sure I've read stuff about Hitler and other Nazis saying that they were doing "god's work". Also, there were many clerics who became nazis. So I'd refine your statemnet and say "organized religion had no place unless it was under the nazi's sphere of influence". They did borrow from Norse, zoroastrian and possibly even Tibetan(??) mythology. I think they wanted to create a new nazi religion mixing all those with elements of christianity.
You could define Nazism as a religion actually. It was a cult-like ideology that demanded slavish devotion from its followers, with no other viewpoint being allowed or tolerated. A world was plunged into war in its name and the leader of this ideology was treated like a Demi-God by millions of his followers. Yup, definately ticks most of the boxes I would say.
 
March 2nd, 2006   Post 18
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Makes sense, Doppelganger.
 
March 2nd, 2006   Post 19
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I have seen pictures of the grand Mufti with Hitler and Goebelz and that they were promised the Israeli land if the Nazis win the war
 
March 2nd, 2006   Post 20
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I have seen pictures of the grand Mufti with Hitler and Goebelz and that they were promised the Israeli land if the Nazis win the war
en...Isreal was created after WW2...and the land of Isreal was indeed controlled by Arabians before the Jewish people immigrated to there in large numbers in the later period of WW2