AFP - A Muslim leader has warned that Britain is moving towards a "police state," comparing the situation to Nazi Germany after the anti-terror raids in the city of Birmingham this week.



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When the muslim terrorists continue to use the freedoms afforded in a democracy against their host countries what the hell do they think is going to happen? Cry me a river Muhammed.

Shameful... I wonder how long this may last

What a beatup. If this person can't accept the reasons why this is so. he should go back to a country where he is happy.

Sorry, but I'm losing patience with these ungrateful fools.

Yes, I do realise that all Muslims are not terrorists, but the rules apply to the non Muslim community too. and we must realise that they are made necessary by the lunatic fringe. Be they Muslim or otherwise.

Originally Posted by senojekips

What a beatup. If this person can't accept the reasons why this is so. he should go back to a country where he is happy.

Sorry, but I'm losing patience with these ungrateful fools.

Yes, I do realise that all Muslims are not terrorists, but the rules apply to the non Muslim community too. and we must realise that they are made necessary by the lunatic fringe. Be they Muslim or otherwise.

So what is wrong with his statements?

At Birmingham Central Mosque, its chairman Mohammad Naseem urged Muslims to show restraint following the raids, in which nine suspects were arrested over allegations of plotting an "Iraq-style" kidnapping and filmed beheading.
The message to local Muslims is clear, said Naseem: "They must not lose heart, they should remain calm; they must maintain their dignity, they must obey the law of the land.
"That's what their religion demands of them," he told BBC radio shortly before the start of the main Friday prayer meeting.

This is the message more Muslim leaders need to be sending and the authorities should be doing all they can to encourage the guy the last thing that will help the situation is "if you don't like it piss off" comments.

Statements like, "Britain is becoming a Police state like Nazi Germany", do nothing to calm the situation. This is not what I would call a moderating influence.

All States look like police states to criminals, or persons who desire to commit criminal acts.

And the fact remains if "they" do not like the law of their adopted land or the land that their parents adopted, they should do us all a favour and go to where they will be happy. That's what I'd do if it were me. The law cannot be changed to suit the whim of the minority, or we will be no better than the country they or their ancestors left in the first place.

I did not say "if you don't like it piss off" I merely implied that they should vote with their feet and go to a "better" place. A statement somewhat more honest and less inflammatory than theirs.

"Nazi Germany".......how old fashioned.

Why not make a more contemporary comparision like........um........Saudi Arabia, Lybia, or Iran or Syria or........ well get my drift.

Now back to Nazi Germany - who did they back, fund, and support in Palestine in the 1930's and 40's. Who in the Middle East was in bed with Adolf? Can someone jog my memory?

Originally Posted by senojekips

Statements like, "Britain is becoming a Police state like Nazi Germany", do nothing to calm the situation. This is not what I would call a moderating influence.

All States look like police states to criminals, or persons who desire to commit criminal acts.

And the fact remains if "they" do not like the law of their adopted land or the land that their parents adopted, they should do us all a favour and go to where they will be happy. That's what I'd do if it were me. The law cannot be changed to suit the whim of the minority, or we will be no better than the country they or their ancestors left in the first place.

I did not say "if you don't like it piss off" I merely implied that they should vote with their feet and go to a "better" place. A statement somewhat more honest and less inflammatory than theirs.

While I agree that people should always move to a Nation they would be most happy in, if the Laws of what would be the gaining and losing Nations allow of course.
Laws dealing with Freedom of Speech, Movement, Association, and Privacy are generally put in place to to protect and favor the Minority, because in a Democracy the Majority just votes in what they would like to have happen on a whim.

Palestinians... what did I win Padre?

Originally Posted by bulldogg

Palestinians... what did I win Padre?

You win the right to prove your answer...
Care to name those Palestinian units?
If you are refering to the Muslim units that joined the SS mid way through the war I think you will find they were Bosnian and I think from memory there was an Indian unit. Now I am not saying you are wrong as there was a lot of pro-German sympathies in places like Iraq and Turkey but I would be interested to see if you can find any actual units of "Palestinian" origin.

Originally Posted by senojekips

Statements like, "Britain is becoming a Police state like Nazi Germany", do nothing to calm the situation. This is not what I would call a moderating influence.

I agree completely it is a well used theory that you have lost the argument when you have to bring up the Nazi's as you can tell from your local clergyman's post its a great option to use when you have nothing really to say but feel the need to continue your crusade however its generally regarded as poor form.

I did not say "if you don't like it piss off" I merely implied that they should vote with their feet and go to a "better" place. A statement somewhat more honest and less inflammatory than theirs.

I would suggest that my version is a closer translation than you seem to be giving of this statement.

What a beatup. If this person can't accept the reasons why this is so. he should go back to a country where he is happy.

Sorry, but I'm losing patience with these ungrateful fools.

I will give you the same argument I have given others, you have no idea whether this guy is an immigrant or a UK born citizen where exactly would he go back to?

Now I realise that the burden of proof or even fact does not weigh heavily on the minds of people spouting right wing rhetoric but if you want genuine discussion on topics it is a requirement.