Which gun was better the mp44 or the bar....

I have been given objections from both sides but would like to ask for your opions

personally i feel the mp44 was a better gun

B.A.R. by far.

Besides the B.A.R. was a Light Support Weapon while the MP43/44 was a rear enchlon assault rifle.

Thanks for the reply...hmmm i have also been told that the Mp44 had more to a clip (i believe i was told 32?), lower recoil, and was more acurrate than the bar...is this true?

Originally Posted by kar98k

Thanks for the reply...hmmm i have also been told that the Mp44 had more to a clip (i believe i was told 32?), lower recoil, and was more acurrate than the bar...is this true?

It had a lower recoil but wasn't very accurate and had short range. She did have a magazine, holding about 30 rounds.

MP-43
MP-44
STG-44
Same weapon, just small production differences and dates.

I would have to go with the Bar because it had way more firepower then the Mp44 and was more accurate. I really do hate the 20 round clip though on the Bar

The thing about the BAR was that it was big and very heavy. It was not your ideal weapon to carry around. For best results it had to be fired from a position where the bipod could be used.

Both were good guns, but if I were a soldier I think I would have be happier with the Stg.44

Well, I'm not sure it's completly fair to compare the two because the MP44 was a later (more advanced) weapon and as such would be expected to have certain advantages.

The initial M1918A1 version of the Browning Automatic Rifle (BAR) was first used in combat by American soldiers during World War I, and many saw service in World War II. The BAR received high praise for its reliability under adverse conditions.
http://www.rt66.com/~korteng/SmallArms/browning.htm

The first prototypes, the MKb 42(H) and the MKb 42(W) from Haenel & Walther, were field tested in late 1942. This resulted in the Haenel model being accepted, and with some modifications put into service as the MP43. The results were so favourable that soon Generals were going all the way to Hitler to get these new weapons for their troops.
Needless to say, Hitler was furious that his orders had been disobeyed, but when the designers armed his personal bodyguard with the new weapon and staged a demonstration of it, Hitler quickly changed his mind and renamed it the "Sturmgewehr", or assault rifle.
Not only is the MP44 the world's first true assault rifle, it also incorporated other new features. The first was a dramatic change away from machining in favour of pressings in manufacture. Also production of parts was extensively sub-contracted, aimed at ensuring a reliable supply of weapons.
http://www.gunsworld.com/mgp/mp44.html

You're comparing apples with oranges. The BAR was a bipod mounted light machinegun that could be used as a very heavy rifle, a squad automatic weapon, or a sniper rifle. It used a full powered 30.06 round, which is no longer used by any military force because it is just too powerful. The one weakness of the BAR was the fact that it could only be fed using 20 round magazines, which severely limited it's flexibility.

On the other hand we have the MP 44. This was an assault rifle, in fact, the first assault rifle, and it fired the 7.92 kurtz (short) round that was developed for it to reduce recoil and increase accuracy. The result is that it is much less powerful than the 30.06. The MP 44 could not be used as either a SAW nor a sniper rifle, as it had neither a bipod nor could it be belt fed, but the 30 round mag made it an infantry weapon to be reckoned with.

Basically, you are asking something similar to: Which is better, the M-16 or the FN-FAL HB? Or, which is better, the Enfield IW or the modernized Bren? The comparison does not really work.

Dean.

Dean

Thats an interesting post. I would disagree with one part. I dont think you can call the BAR a LMG, for the reason you stated its low ammo capacity. A LMG has to be capable of sustained fire and 20 rounds isnt enough. Also the US Army had a true LMG, the Browning .30. The other reason was the BAR had a reletively low ROF compared to say the Browning, Bren or Mg.42. I had never heard of a BAR being used as a sniper rifle, it had no telescopic sight. I tend to think the role of the BAR is of a infantry support weapon. To increase the firepower of a rifle squad in certain situations such as a Bazooka, flametrower, or LMG would.

mp-44 by far if i was a soldier in ww2 i would much rather have a bigger clip