What about people who arn`t leaders like Skorzeny or "paddy" Mayne

I have an unbelieveable amount of respect for Otto, but I hardly consider him unsung/unknown. Also it is true that Konev is overshadowed, but Doppleganger is 100% correct in that he can't be compared to the likes of Guderian. Plus Skorzeny was a major wasn't he? But speaking of Otto, how about the illustrious Josef “Sepp” Dietrich?

OK then in no order

1. Slim(very underatted)
2. suboti(sp)
3. Konev

I would have to say Ho Chi Minh and his fellow associates even though i hate the guy.

Ho Chi Minh was a politician. His main general was General Giap. And that man IS famous.

I go along with Dowding and Kiwi Air Vice Marshal Keith Park, commander of 11th fighter group, as often overlooked for their great effort in the battle of Britain.

But the Germans had next to no chance of invading, R.A.F. or no R.A.F.

Others that perhaps should get a mention....

Sir John Monash, of Australia.
Montgomery said he thinks he was the best allied commander of the first world war.

Charles X11 of Sweden.
Won battles against big odds against the Russians but, as others that followed, eventually succumbed.

King Adolphus Gustavus of Sweden.
Revolutionized military tactics in the 30 years war.

Vo Nguyen Giap of Vietnam.
He was a fighter who could go the distance, fighting almost non stop from the 1940's till 1975, and defeating France and the U.S.A.

Not a bad effort.

Other than the fact that I always forget his name, I think that Giap gets much of the credit he is due. Amazing guerilla tactician. Amazing across the board.

Giap defeated U.S, not in term of causalties right?

Originally Posted by Sexybeast

Giap defeated U.S, not in term of causalties right?

The NVA and VC took many many times more casualties. We lost Vietnam in the press room when the American media discovered that sabotaging American war efforts was a good way to make money.

My choice....Orde Wingate. Here is a real old ball. he helped defeat the Italians in North Africa and captured huge numbers of them. He also help in the formation of the LRDG. He went off to Burma and set up the Chindits to take the fight to Japanese. He was killed in a plane crash in Burma and is buried in Arlington Cemetery.
Next Bomber Harris.... Who reequipped the RAF bomber force and made them a real force to reckoned with and helped tear the heart out of Germany. Not only did he bring in area bombing, but he also brought in more pin point tactics, like sinking the Tirpitz, the Dam Buster raids, destroying the sub pens with tall boy bombs, and smashing many viaducts and tunnels with the same weapon. He got a force in the finish that could take out the walls of a prisons and release the the prisoners. Also the American General Lemay who took over the bombing campaign against the Japanese, took with him to this conflict many of bomber Harris tactics and used them well against the Japanese.
Another Great Leader must be Wellington, lets face it he never lost a battle. And what about Marlborough his actions leading a European force against the French was spectacular, there again he was Churchill's great, great grandfather.