Topic: Military of the world Photo #2 (Post Pics) 12

Damien435 · March 3rd, 2005

I guess this is how I feel about the J-10/Eurofighter/Lavi airframe, "If it aint broke don't fix it."

lemontree · March 3rd, 2005

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Originally Posted by the_13th_redneck

Yeah probably more like the Lavi. Thanks a lot Israel.
Then again, the Lavi, this J-10 and the Eurofighter are pretty similar looking aircraft.

You are all right. the Lavi was an Israeli project that got shelved due to lack of funds. The J-10 is the Lavi design that the Israelis' transferred to the Chinese.
The J-10 is still far from complete and research and development id still being carried out. The Chinese are even using lessons learn't from the F-16 smuggled to them by Pakistan, in the development of the Lavi and the FC-1.

SHERMAN · March 3rd, 2005

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Thanks a lot Israel

Sorry about that. My gov dosent always think straight...

the_13th_redneck · March 3rd, 2005

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Originally Posted by SHERMAN

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Thanks a lot Israel

Sorry about that. My gov dosent always think straight...

Well, Israel doesn't have much options in terms of making money it seems. I guess you have to do *something* to survive.

rOk · March 3rd, 2005

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Originally Posted by lemontree

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Originally Posted by the_13th_redneck

Yeah probably more like the Lavi. Thanks a lot Israel.
Then again, the Lavi, this J-10 and the Eurofighter are pretty similar looking aircraft.

You are all right. the Lavi was an Israeli project that got shelved due to lack of funds.

IIRC...it got shelved because of American pressure...they didn't want a new competitor in the F-16 class.

the_13th_redneck · March 3rd, 2005

Funny, the F-18 is a competitor to the F-16 class and is manufactured by a different company.

So is the JAS -39 Grippen (Griffin).

rOk · March 3rd, 2005

F-18 had a window of oppurtunity...ie it's a carrier fighter.
The Gripen is made by Sweden on which the US has an immensely lower influence than on Israel...IIRC after the cancellation of the Lavi project Israel bought F-16's at a subsidized price...correlates to influence mentioned above

Just to further illustrate the "Gripen story"...I think it was Finland who were buying a new fighter a/c and the US administration denied them buying the AMRAAM if they don't buy the F-18 (which eventually they did)

Not to diss the Americans here...they cancelled the F-20 as well and banned it from the export list...it was rumored to be better than the F-16 but the F-16 was already in service then...

the_13th_redneck · March 3rd, 2005

The F-20 was basically an upgraded F-5. I don't think it would have surpassed the F-16.

rOk · March 3rd, 2005

OK let's just say it was so maneuverable they lost two a/c in testing due to instantenious G lock...and it was a heavily beefed up F-5.

Redleg · March 3rd, 2005

Feel free to start a new thread about that topic guys...

March 3rd, 2005	Post 111
Damien435 Tribunus Laticlavius Gear	I guess this is how I feel about the J-10/Eurofighter/Lavi airframe, "If it aint broke don't fix it." __________________ Please note that 98% of what I say is my opinion and/or my "version" of the facts. Most of what I say is rumor with little to no evidence to back it up, just something I picked up somewhere. My City

March 3rd, 2005	Post 116
the_13th_redneck No Chance Outside Gear	Funny, the F-18 is a competitor to the F-16 class and is manufactured by a different company. So is the JAS -39 Grippen (Griffin).

March 3rd, 2005	Post 117
rOk Centurion	F-18 had a window of oppurtunity...ie it's a carrier fighter. The Gripen is made by Sweden on which the US has an immensely lower influence than on Israel...IIRC after the cancellation of the Lavi project Israel bought F-16's at a subsidized price...correlates to influence mentioned above Just to further illustrate the "Gripen story"...I think it was Finland who were buying a new fighter a/c and the US administration denied them buying the AMRAAM if they don't buy the F-18 (which eventually they did) Not to diss the Americans here...they cancelled the F-20 as well and banned it from the export list...it was rumored to be better than the F-16 but the F-16 was already in service then...

March 3rd, 2005	Post 118
the_13th_redneck No Chance Outside Gear	The F-20 was basically an upgraded F-5. I don't think it would have surpassed the F-16.

March 3rd, 2005	Post 119
rOk Centurion	OK let's just say it was so maneuverable they lost two a/c in testing due to instantenious G lock...and it was a heavily beefed up F-5.

March 3rd, 2005	Post 120
Redleg The fire is everything... Gear	Feel free to start a new thread about that topic guys...