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August 6th, 2008   Post 1
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Post; Mexican Troops Cross Border, Hold Border Agent


Mexican troops crossed the border into Arizona and held a U.S. Border Patrol agent at gunpoint on Sunday, according to a published report.
Agents assigned to the Border Patrol at Ajo, Ariz., said the Mexican soldiers crossed the border into an isolated area southwest of Tucson and pointed rifles at the agent, who has not been identified.
The Mexicans withdrew after other American agents arrived on the scene, The Washington Times reports.
It�s not known why the troops crossed the border, but American law enforcement authorities have said that current and former Mexican soldiers have been hired to protect drug and immigrant smugglers.
�Unfortunately, this sort of behavior by Mexican military personnel has been going on for years,� union Local 2544 of the National Border Patrol Council said on its Web site.
�They are never held accountable, and the United States government will undoubtedly brush this off as another case of, �Oh well, they didn�t know they were in the United States.� It is fortunate that this incident didn�t end in a very ugly gunfight.�
Ricardo Alday, a spokesman at the Mexican Embassy in Washington, told the Times on Tuesday: �Law enforcement operations have led, from time to time, to innocent incursions by both U.S. and Mexican law enforcement personnel and military units into the territory of both nations�
�We always try to solve these incidents in a cooperative fashion, and as acknowledged by the Border Patrol, this was the case in the episode at Ajo.�
The General Accounting Office estimates that $23 billion in illegal drugs flow across the border each year.
According to The Times, a coalition of border sheriffs has demanded that the American and Mexican governments probe incursions into the U.S. by heavily armed drug escorts dressed in Mexican military uniforms.




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August 6th, 2008   Post 2
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First, a verbal warning. The next time this happens, get shooting.
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August 6th, 2008   Post 3
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That is how the US Customs & Border Protection should be armed....

We have the National Guard on the border unarmed... UNARMED FOR GOD'S SAKE! They were fired upon and had to retreat once. They're the National Guard they should be armed and guarding the nation.

This is not a new thing. Mexican Troops have been crossing over into the USA for years. Wars have started because of things like this and we (USA) just sit back and let it happen.


Back in 1916 we sent the US Army after a couple of Mexican Bandits. Anyone ever heard of the Punitive Expedition. The Commander was General John J. "Black Jack" Pershing. Then Lieutenant George S. Patton got into a gun fight and killed Julio Cárdenas and two other men. Julio Cárdenas was one of Pancho Villa's right hand men. We sent over 10,000 troops because of this.

What caused it all? A cross border raid by Pancho Villa's thugs.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.... we should do another Punitive Expedition. This time give the military a break. Send in the police. It's a police type matter anyways. Let the cops (me included) take care of this issue.
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August 6th, 2008   Post 4
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For once, I can almost agree with both of you.
 
August 6th, 2008   Post 5
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I'd rather send in some military. Maybe with some MP's. I have no idea why this is considered not important. Very frustrating. Thats like allowing someone to come into your house and telling you what to do there with a gun pointed at you. How is killing this person not justified?
 
August 7th, 2008   Post 6
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Quote:
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For once, I can almost agree with both of you.


I can understand you agreeing with me once in a while. But with two "complete right wing nut jobs" forum members?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

It's official....
 
August 7th, 2008   Post 7
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 5.56X45mm
It's offical....
That's in Michigan...
 
August 7th, 2008   Post 8
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Here's the deal. Mexican Police and Military are criminally underpaid. The Commandantes and Generals are criminally corrupt. This leads to the whole damned bunch being...criminals.

There is no doubt in my mind that these guys were muscle for a trafficer, drugs or human take your pick. There is alot of money being made on the border, not just in narcotics although thats the top money maker. You figure that the average "coyote" makes 2500.00 to 4500.00 per head to lead them across the border, more if he's contracted to get them further in. Theres alot of queso changing hands in the zona.

Thing is that these guys might have made 50.00 bucks for their part in it while jefe is pocketing the rest.

I doubt that they are the former military gangs like the Zetas, those guys are way hard corps they would have off'd the BP Agent and went back to Mexico for a couple Modelo's and called it a day.
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August 7th, 2008   Post 9
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National Guard good idea in your opinion or need more than that even?
 
August 7th, 2008   Post 10
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Their no good if they have no teeth. It's Johnson fight with CBP. CBP want's total control of how things are run and to an extent that's fine. But I doubt that most of these groups are gonna take on a platoon in hummers with M240's and M249's in the turrent and ROE's that allow them to light any military unit crossing the border the up.

Now a lone BP agent or even 2 BP agents in a suburban now that's an easy target they will take that risk.
 



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