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November 7th, 2005   Post 1
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Men are too rough to train with, Army tells women

The Daily Mail (UK) ^ | November 6, 2005 | Andrew Wilks

The Army is abandoning mixed-sex training units because too many female recruits are getting injured trying to keep up with their male counterparts.

From next April, women will be placed in their own platoons and although the training regime will remain the same, it will be conducted at a pace 'sustainable and commensurate with their physical profile'.

Army chiefs hope the changes will greatly reduce drop-out rates among women after research showed female recruits are up to nine times more likely than men to be discharged through a training-related injury.

Dr James Bilzon, the Army Training and Recruitment Agency's senior scientific adviser, found that women are getting hurt as they try to match men in arduous drills and marches wearing full combat gear.

His research showed that, in general, women are less able to cope with the sudden introduction to the exhausting exercise regime demanded by the Army.

The most common complaints are stress fractures to the shin and thigh bones, and pelvic injuries caused by attempting to keep up with the longer stride patterns of men.

'Men are stronger and more robust and it's silly to pretend otherwise'

Dr Bilzon said: "There is a high incidence of training-induced overuse injuries and associated medical discharges among trainees with lower levels of aerobic fitness, particularly females."

He added: "Female recruits are three-to-four times more likely than males to be medically discharged with a training injury, a figure which may be as high as nine times in some training units."

The changes will end a decade of mixed platoons and are a rebuff to modernisers who insisted women soldiers should be treated equally.

Confirming the move away from mixed-sex training, Colonel David Eccles, Chief of Staff at the Army Training and Recruitment Agency, said: "From spring 2006 all initial training for the British Army will be organised along the lines of single-sex platoons at the Army Training Regiment at Pirbright."

Colonel Bob Stewart, who was awarded the Distinguished Service Order for his service in Bosnia in the early Nineties, said it was "hardly surprising" the Army could not train men and women together.

"Men are stronger and more robust and it's silly to pretend otherwise. It seems that at last the Army has woken up to the fact that women are different - something blatantly obvious to anyone," he added.

The Adult Learning Inspectorate, which assesses training standards for youngsters, had urged a rethink of the Army's 'gender-free' policy.

It found that shin bone fractures in women had risen from 12.6 per 10,000 personnel to 231.2 since the introduction of mixed-sex training, while all injuries among women rose from 467 to 1,113 per 10,000. Women currently serve alongside men in all aspects of Army life apart from infantry and tank units and last year 815 women enlisted.


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November 7th, 2005   Post 2
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They have just re-invented the wheel, again
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November 7th, 2005   Post 3
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Yep!
And a couple of years down the track they will bleat and whinge that they are missing out because they arent training with the men and everyone will have to be mixed again.
And so it goes......................
 
November 7th, 2005   Post 4
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Either raise the physical demand for womans entering the Army or wake up and face the fact that there are differences.

Equal service, equal training.
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November 7th, 2005   Post 5
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"It seems that at last the Army has woken up to the fact that women are different - something blatantly obvious to anyone," he added.
I love the way the British point out the obvious in such an honest fashion. I would serve under this guy anytime.
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November 7th, 2005   Post 6
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All military training for women will now take place in a shopping mall, and hopefully they will be combat fit at the end of their training. If not they will just complain that they have been discriminated against
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November 7th, 2005   Post 7
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I don't know what the big deal is with women soldiers. In AROTC here at my university, the females run the same 2 mile ruck runs that us guys do, along with everything else we do. They don't have any problem with it, so I don't see what the big deal is.
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November 7th, 2005   Post 8
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running 2miles is a lot different from the many physical exercises undertaken. sure, its endurance, but its no match fro brute strength

i know of all the equal rights, but why would you have women in combat positions if they are not able to match it with the others. you dont send a physically inferior force into battle, you want them to be harder and tough than the bad guys.
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November 8th, 2005   Post 9
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*SNORT* yep we're *scratches self* definitely too *belch* rough for women by *spit* gawd.
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November 8th, 2005   Post 10
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Now who was it, that demanded that they be treated the same as the men, if they join a unit will it just be of the Amazons or will they serve along side the men. If they are to serve with the men wont the same problem crop again, and then all moans will start again.