Telling ya... the most capable won't run because they don't want the press tearing their lives apart.

Originally Posted by FULLMETALJACKET

who doesnt say the pledge and who has Hamas supporting him. great.

So you're saying he's a terrorist? Yeah, the "with us or against us" stance. As for the flag pin and pledge thing, he doesn't have to wear one and you don't have to put your hand over your heart for the pledge. (Bush put his hand over his stomach once.) I think it's a refreshing change from the usual political hit-you-over-the-head-with-the-flag patriotism. He's stepping away from the usually sleazy political machine.

McCain seems a bit out of touch. He says Iraq is safe. He was surrounded by about 40 armed guards (I beleve I read that they were Blackwater, NOT our US Soldiers) and was wearing a flak jacket. Sounds real safe to me.

A bit off topic but yeah, that's what Blackwater and co are there for. So the US military can focus on finding and destroying the enemy and manning checkpoints.

Originally Posted by FULLMETALJACKET

who doesnt say the pledge and who has Hamas supporting him. great.

First of all that Pledge issue has been complete twisted + exaggerated by the right, has he ever actually refused to say the pledge? No. Secondly who cares who Hamas supports? Does it matter if the Klan and Aryan Nation supports McCain? If that's your only criticism about him, its pretty insignificant. Its certainly not worth another 4 year extension of the status quo.

About the flag pins (another ridiculous debate), they have been popular in politics before, this pin is from the 1930 election. The slogan is "We wish to be Free and German".



Which is why you will never see me wear one, I am systemically against anything the Nazi party did. Besides, you don't need a pin to prove your're patriotic.


Major Liabilty

Your mistaken, Obama does know what the consequence will be of a Iraq withdrawl -a bloody civil war. But that has already happened, it started when we removed the blocker (saddam) that prevented these two groups from attacking each other, and we are right in the middle of it. The answer is to let the Iraqis sort out their ethnic problems themselves. Yes we broke Iraq, but because we broke it doesn't mean we can fix it. We have been trying without much success to do just that for the past 5 years. We are simply kidding ourselves to think we can stop the Sunni and the Shiite from killing each other -they have been doing that for the past 800 years.

well, Does the Klan and Aryan nation support him?

Originally Posted by mmarsh

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Originally Posted by FULLMETALJACKET

well, Does the Klan and Aryan nation support him?

relevant question there. Anyone got the facts?

Originally Posted by Del Boy

relevant question there. Anyone got the facts?

Del Boy+FullMetalJacket

Yes, they do.

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/200...9/18493960.php

Leaders of the Ku Klux Klan and pro-Nazi groups state that they will support John McCain in the presidential election. Several leaders of the Ku Klux Klan and pro-Nazi groups (some of whom are members of both groups) have stated that they will support John McCain in the presidential election. None of the leaders wanted their names disclosed, but they agreed to discuss which candidate they would support on the condition of anonymity.

At least three Ku Klux Klan leaders represented major chapters with headquarters in Alabama, Mississppi and South Carolina. Two of the Klan officials admitted that they were also significantly involved with pro-Nazi groups.

Klan and Nazi representatives said that their Chapters and members are in overwhelming support of John McCain. "Actually, it's a unanimous sentiment within our organization," said one of the pro-Nazi leaders. "McCain is the only candidate who represents our interests," he added.

While it is not clear yet whether Senator McCain would want the publicized support of either the Klan or the Nazi groups, the votes will undoubtedly help him, particularly in the South.

The revelation that Senator McCain has the blessing of the two groups comes on the heels of the McCain campaign's recent statement that Hamas would probably prefer Senator Obama. With the news of these event, one Obama supporter commented, "Well, I guess the difference is that Hamas can't vote, but McCain will sure get all those Nazi votes."

(I found the last sentence particularly true).

So I re-ask the question: Does the fact these these groups support McCain make McCain a Ku Klux Klan or Nazi supporter?

Thank you MM. I guess that will be because he is the Republican candidate, so that is hardly his fault, as you have pointed out.

At the same time, it is highly unfortunate for Obama if he has received publically declared support of Hamas, as he is an American Presidential candidate.

I guess he would have to postively and publically denounce and put distance between that and himself, would he not?

Sorry to intervene, just interested.