About Mandatory Military Service a good idea or a bad one? Page 11
|March 13th, 2012||#102|
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|May 2nd, 2012||#104|
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OP, I don't ever think that mandatory service is a good idea. Sure some would toughen up, but you'd have far more people hating the service they were doing for their country and either not doing a good job or dissenting.
Instead of making military service mandatory, what would need to be done is commercializing the military (i.e. product placement, not businesses owning the military :P)
If I can say this without catching too much heat, it seems to be working quite well with the US. Instilling a sense of national pride in military service is the best way to get people to join and WANT to do the best they can for their country instead of HAVING to do hard and even deadly labor day after day.
Not only that, but what if we drafted somebody whose best calling was in something the country needed at home?
We still need farmers, mechanists, industrialists, news anchors, teachers, computer programmers, fashion designers, assembly line workers, and many MANY others. We would lose many of these whose calling wasn't in the military.
2 cents from a trainee given.
Last edited by Rdub549; May 2nd, 2012 at 09:21..
|May 4th, 2012||#105|
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“Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers.”
What this tells us is that despite what their elders may think of them when push came to shove the lazy, indolent youth of at least every generation since Socrates has stood up and made themselves known, while part of me believes in conscription or national service the reality is that it is not essential.
We are more often treacherous through weakness than through calculation. ~Francois De La Rochefoucauld
|May 4th, 2012||#106|
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Again, as a former VN draftee, I still don’t support a military draft. Although I agree with Robert Heinlein that the rights of citizenship should be earned somehow - not just be a privilege of birth.
I also agree that if the draft was re-instated women should be as eligible as men although I don‘t see a way around their always having the “pregnancy option“. I was vocal about my opinion of women not being subject to the draft during the era of “equal opportunities” in the US Army (meaning that as long as I, or my sons, could be drafted and sent to war and a female couldn’t - things were not equal).
This resulted in a bad Efficiency Report for me in the early ‘70’s.
|May 5th, 2012||#107|
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During a major war it is understandable to have conscription, but during peace time I would disagree with it. Now you have got your established in a good civilian job and are making a success of life. What happens next you are called up just to keep the numbers up in the forces as the government does not want to pay the people in forces a decent wage to attract enough recruits, and those they call up they don't even pay them the same a regular soldier, yet they expect you to serve your country and to die for it. To quite honest they are just taking the p1ss.
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|May 6th, 2012||#108|
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I agree with you, but not completely. There is a problem to generalize about conscription or a professional military. If a country has no security issues with its neighbors, they can have a professional military, if they do, it can be more problematic to have a professional army. During a major armed conflict, it might benefit a country to have conscription, but if the country does not react fast enough, they will not have the time to shift from a professional to conscription, due to the time required to train these conscripts.
Then I have questions to you, Der Alte. You have been an officer through the Cold War in a conscript military. Did you see a decline with each generation? Was it a difference between the recruits in the 1960s and the 1970s? Further, do you think it had been better if the Bundeswehr had been a professional military during the Cold War?
Entrepreneurs are simply those who understand that there is little difference between obstacle and opportunity and are able to turn both to their advantage.
|May 7th, 2012||#109|
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Quite different however, was the end of the 60s. The youth Rebellion in '68 was the most obvious landmark in that period. For the young people it was now peace and love rather than war, and suddenly all interest in military training disappeared among marijuana pipes and flourished Volkswagen. You saw the military as an opponent and it was not a part of the youth rebels universe, that they should do military service.
Moreover, the U.S. war in Vietnam was extremely unpopular in Europe. Military service was regarded as being a mercenary in support of the imperialist America's war
|May 9th, 2012||#110|
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The attitudes were the same in Sweden, according from what I have heard from people who were around and in the Swedish military throughout the cold war. I was in the conscription in the end of 1980s. Gorby changed people’s attitude to a great deal. However, the Swedes always felt some what protected by the Baltic Sea as a barrier between us and the Soviets, except from the northern part. The Finnish have a different attitude; they haven't changed much since the end of the Cold War. I don't know if their (the Finnish) attitude followed the same pattern as in Germany or in Sweden. I will ask the next time I meet someone from Finland
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