Originally Posted by mmarsh

PJ24

I'm sorry but I dont think you were clear at all. The Topic here was abortion bill in South Dakota not Fathers Rights, I was trying to tie your arguement into the actual topic. If you want to talk strictly about Father's rights (its a good subject) start a new thread and I will most likely hop on and agree with you.

Actually, the entire issue turned into the moral right and wrong of abortion, which is why, instead of arguing for or against it, I mentioned perhaps Father's should have a say. You chose to take it to whatever level you've decided. With that said, I'm "outie" on this discussion!

Damien

1. I've never been to South Dakota (I'm an East coaster) so I'll take your word for it on the distances. But what about somebody who lives in Belle Forche (Western side) what is the distance from there to say Sioux Falls or Fargo Minnasota? If its a 10 minute drive then ok, if its a 15 hour drive then I would say that the State isnt doing enough to guarentee free access to a medical clinic, unless the State is willing to pay for a helicopter or airplane ticket.

2. Remember what I said, "unless it effects the freedom of others". If you are DWI then you are a hazard to everybody on the road. If my girlfriend has an abortion nobody else is affected (fetus is not a person).

3. What I meant by pro military is this. The military is an organisation who primary duty involves the killing of Human beings. I find it contradictory to say one is pro-life and be involved in or support the military. Personally I am pro choice, pro death penaltly, pro assisted suicide. and pro military. In short, I'm pro-Death . You should come over to my side of the fence, I dont discriminate. Wasnt Arnold Schwartzenegger movie "The Running Man" similar to your idea? I liked Fireball myself...

Well, a woman from Belle Fourche would probably go to a clinic in Wyoming, even now when Planned Parenthood operates one in Sioux Falls. (I think there was one in Rapid City that was closed just a couple years ago. Not enough funding I guess *whistles*) The distance between Belle Fourche and Sioux Falls is approximately... 400 miles? I can't remember off the top of my head, depends on how many miles north of I-90 Belle Fourche is. Anyways, it would be about a six hour drive, probably easier to go to Wyoming, depending on where you can get an abortion there. Furthermore, why should the state help pay for the abortion? It's a $450 procedure, very expensive when compared to a condom that probably could have prevented this, but cheap comparped to say, a new ACL, which costs approx. $13,000. The state of South Dakota didn't give me a dime, and the Army wasn't too inclined to help either. Thank god for insurance (which still cost me more than the abortion would cost). South Dakota is a very rural state, in order to make it abortions truly "accessible" we would probably have to put a tax on Alcohol which means our states economy goes through the shitter. After living here I can safely say that at times it is far more "convenient" to go out of state to get something. Rochester isn't too far away, rumor has it they have a pretty good hospital there.

2. Sometimes it is necessary for the government to protect us from ourselves and our actions.

3. I don't find it contradictory to be against the killing of an innocent baby but support an organisation whose duty is to kill others, predominantly adult males, who are fighting for what they believe and what just so happens to be contradictory to what we feel at the time. But that person has the chance and ability to defend themselves, a fetus does not.

Ok, fine, we do it like this, anyone who wants an abortion can get what, but the state will remove any and all funding for institutions that conduct abortions and furthermore, any institution wishing to perfom abortions must get a license to do so from the state, which will of course have a fee to obtain said license and it is only valid for one year. Much like a liquor license. Sounds fair enough to me. I don't want even one penny of my tax dollars going to help pay for the abortion of a perfectly healthy fetus from a perfectly healthy woman whose partner didn't want to make that little $.25 investment that could have prevented all this in the first place.

Originally Posted by The Cooler King

I believe it is a human the moment it is conceived. Yes, there are certain cases where abortion is neccessary, but just having one because you don't feel like having a kid is no excuse.

You have the right to believe what you want but you seem pleased that your opinion is being forced upon those that dont.

Originally Posted by sven hassell

You have the right to believe what you want but you seem pleased that your opinion is being forced upon those that dont.

A lot of people feel that narcotics should be legalized, do we have any right to tell them they can't smoke pot in the privacy of their own homes? You bet your ass we do.

As I said before, sometimes it is necessary for the government to protect the people from themselves and their own actions.

Originally Posted by sven hassell

You have the right to believe what you want but you seem pleased that your opinion is being forced upon those that dont.

It is not my opionion but a fact. The moment it is conceived, it is human life. And I highly doubt that you can prove me otherwise.

To me haveing 46 chromosomes does not make you human. It makes you an organism with 46 chromosomes, once you begin to develop human specfic organs heart,brain lungs etc then sure call it a human.

But it is still life.

I think all abortions should be legal until the first nervous system activity begins. Before then, it's not a human, it's a lump of protoplasm. This is because I believe the mind makes the man. And if the mother can't make up her mind before then, she's waited too long.

It is wrong to have others tell you what to do with the thing growing inside of you. Especially when getting it out will be painful and probably change your physiology forever.

In that situation with the protestors, if one of them threatened me, I'd be tempted to trip him inside the property line and shoot him in the forehead (or open up with a machinegun, but that's a little too evil).

But then you would be sent to prison for murder, and isn't that a little off the topic here?