Well, I have a hard stance on abortion. I am 100% against it. But than again, I'm for it. Let me explain.

If a couple has sex, the female partner gets pregnant. Than I think there should be no legal reason for them to an abortion.

Now if the woman is raped, than yes. An abortion should be allowed. Also if it is a medical emergency.

But if two folks decide of go at without protection and a pregnancy is the outcome. Well than, they gotta grow up and become adults.

I believe that life starts at conception and that abortion is murder. But we cannot regress to the way society was when abortion was illegal. Back alley abortion clinics and rusty coat hangers aren't the answer.

And we have decided that life begins at conception and to end that life, unless the mother's life is in danger, shall be illegal. I wonder if anyone has noticed that the doctor performing the abortion, not the woman getting the abortion, faces legal charges.

I agree with most of what you said Luis. Getting pregnant by your own folly is certainly stupid. But having to raise a child when your parents kicked you out, because you were pregnant isn't good either. Many people are so worried about the unborn child, but they don't give a rat's ass what becomes of it when it is born. Judgemental about it pre-birth and afterwards the kid is just a number.
These people in Dakota say the from the moment of conception it is a human being. It takes 7 to 8 weeks before it has something of a brain and nervous system. Mosquito's, ants and most other insects have a brain and nervous system, so put it into perspective.
I think they are also overlooking that if somebody really doesn't want a baby, they go ahead with the abortion anyway. As Luis said; rusty coathangers seem to work just fine. These people who are so concerned with love for life, terrify their daughter so much, that she prefers some butcher then confessing her pregnancy to her parents.

In short: imo this is some political gesture where attention is payed to unborn children and none giving to the one concieving. The fact that a teen-mother turns into a social outcast is a contradiction to their previous claim of love for life. Abortion will continue to happen, legal or illegal. So make sure that it as done with all medical attention. This way you don't ruin more then one life in the proces.

Im on the same side as Ted and mmarsh, what has happend.

Hahahahahaha Rabs just came out of the closet. He secretly has been a Liberal for most of his life, living in shamefull denial. How does it feel Rabs?

Originally Posted by Damien435

And we have decided that life begins at conception and to end that life, unless the mother's life is in danger, shall be illegal. I wonder if anyone has noticed that the doctor performing the abortion, not the woman getting the abortion, faces legal charges.

Again, thats a religous/moral arguement, your entitled to it but thats not an opinion that most people in America share. My opinion is based on everyday life and I feel that if a woman get pregnant, even if its 'an accident' its her body and she should be the master of it. She should not have to carry through a pregnancy if she doesnt wish it. Its not up to you, I, the church, or the state, to make that decision for her. Incidently I feel exactly the same about assisted suicide.

Rabs is 100% to point out that the conservative solution of abstiance doesnt not work, its both unrealistic and unenforcable. Its also filled with lies and half-truths, for example the Report on Abstiance (sponsored by Bush), present to the Senate by Arlen Spector in 2004 included the following 'facts': "touching a womans vagina can get her pregnant and/or AIDS". Another suggestion was to bring back female chastity belts (oddly enoughly, male chastity belts were not mentioned). Even Bill Frist had a hard time defending these 'facts'. Is this the Radical Right's solution? The last time we had these type of ideas we were still burning witches and using leeches to cure illness.

And imagine what would happen if abortion were illegal? Do you honestly think for one second that would stop people from having sex? Did prohibition stop people from drinking?

All you would do would be to increase the number of unwanted children in the world (there are already plenty) as well as increase the trade in back alley abortions.

But if you believe that life begins at conception, that perhaps you should consider the French abortion pill (RU-486). After sex, Male sperm takes 2-3 days before reaching them female embreyo. What the drug does is simply slow down the sperm long enough so that it doesnt reach the embreyo in time. No Sperm, no conception, no fetus, no baby. And you dont even have to go to a clinic to use it...

I'd like to see father's get more rights. As it stands now, if a woman becomes pregnant, single or married, she can go off and have an abortion and the father of the child doesn't get any say. Yeah, you can argue the "Her body, her choice" thing, but having consentual sex was her choice too.

PJ24

I could agree with that to a point. I would say father notification would be necessary (if possible) but I would not agree with father consent.

Originally Posted by mmarsh

PJ24

I could agree with that to a point. I would say father notification would be necessary (if possible) but I would not agree with father consent.

I think they should have to consent, the child is just as much theirs as the mother. I personally know of two men that have had their wives, not girlfriends, wives, abort their children and there was nothing they could do about it.

I understand your point, but again its her body. A Husband should not dictate to his wife what to do with her body, those days are long past. If there was a disagreement whether to have an abortion or not, the ultimate decision should be hers. This could be grounds for divorce should the Husband choose.