I don't think so. The German's buy DU rounds and others of us.

Originally Posted by Cadet Seaman

I don't think so. The German's buy DU rounds and others of us.

No, the German armyd doesn't use DU. The DM53 tungsten round is the standard German penetrator. It still gets 800mm at 2km.

The French do use DU rounds, and they are very good.

Interesting. I know the DM53 was Tungsten, but I know they use some of our rounds.

I hate to be a bother, but are you going to keep making "this vs. that" threads?

Originally Posted by Koz

No, the German armyd doesn't use DU. The DM53 tungsten round is the standard German penetrator. It still gets 800mm at 2km.

The French do use DU rounds, and they are very good.

Surely that means the Leclerc has a better chance at penetrating any given armor than the Leo 2?

Anyways, I voted Leclerc because it looks cooler. Before both tanks are actually deployed in combat we won't know for sure, which is "better".

Originally Posted by Mohmar Deathstrike

Surely that means the Leclerc has a better chance at penetrating any given armor than the Leo 2?

Anyways, I voted Leclerc because it looks cooler. Before both tanks are actually deployed in combat we won't know for sure, which is "better".

Not really, the French DU round and the German tungsten rounds both get about the same amount of penetration.

Does that mean the French DU-rounds are inferior to the American equivalent?

Originally Posted by Mohmar Deathstrike

Does that mean the French DU-rounds are inferior to the American equivalent?

France is pseudo-NATO and gets in on the whole merry technology sharing. For the same reason that all NATO-aligned main battle tanks have 120mm main guns, the ammo is intended to be pretty much equivalent and pretty much interchangeable. Biggest difference that I'm aware of if the Challenger. Odds are, I can fire either round from either tank.

Originally Posted by godofthunder9010

France is pseudo-NATO and gets in on the whole merry technology sharing. For the same reason that all NATO-aligned main battle tanks have 120mm main guns, the ammo is intended to be pretty much equivalent and pretty much interchangeable. Biggest difference that I'm aware of if the Challenger. Odds are, I can fire either round from either tank.

Really? The Leo has the L55 to use the DM53's, while the M1 uses the L44. The L55 is longer to suit the DM53's.

The Challenger has a Rifled barrel, while it can fire Sabot's it must be CHARM, while the U.S. uses Sabot's suited to smoothbore.

The Challenger, I already mentioned as being inherently noncompatable, and yes I know it uses a Rifled 120mm barrel. But

The Leopard's L55, true. I don't know for certain whether the LeClerc has an L44 or L55 or some other size, but that wasn't my point. The underlying thing is: In a pinch, worst case scenario, you'd make some modifications (like a longer barrell) but NATO tanks are intended to be cross-compatable.