I would have voted for the Leo 2 but I fogot about this thread. My bad. so technicalliy the Leo 2 would have won 13 to 12, but I came to late..........DAMN DAMN DAMN.

Originally Posted by Cadet Seaman

Only one report of penetration for enemy fire is recorded, that is of the strange round the pentrated throught the non-ballistic skirts and into the Hydraulic Reservoir, this is on page 8 of the report.

Yes, and after that report was published another RPG found penetration.

Originally Posted by Kozzy Mozzy

Yes, and after that report was published another RPG found penetration.

That is simply a false statement, only one penetration that was explained to you by another forum poster, FO Seaman. and that freak round may of well been a reguler RPG-7 projectile that entered through a roadwheel arm housing. No tandem projectiles as of yet have been used in Iraq.

Has the Leopard ever been a tank to tank battle.

Originally Posted by LeEnfield

Has the Leopard ever been a tank to tank battle.

No - not yet anyways, this could change with the additional export sales though.

Leopard 1, yes in very small encounters and very few times. Leopard 2, as said, not yet.

RPG-7s, at some anges and areas, can penetrate the toughest tanks in the world. Some RPG rounds now have 700mm penetration, and no tank is expected to be protected 360 against that...

Originally Posted by AlexKall

Leopard 1, yes in very small encounters and very few times. Leopard 2, as said, not yet.

Could you elaborate a little more on the tank to tank engagement that the LEO 1 has been a part of.

Originally Posted by SHERMAN

RPG-7s, at some anges and areas, can penetrate the toughest tanks in the world. Some RPG rounds now have 700mm penetration, and no tank is expected to be protected 360 against that...

Yes - RPG 7V and RPG - 29 are nasty little buggers with their tandem shaped charges. Alot of people do not realize it but most of the tanks out there offer the best protection at the 60 degree frontal ark, they are not designed to fight in urbanized settings. Best tank fielded for this type of operation would have to go to the Merkava 4 with its modular armor design and ballistic angles.

I would like to say that the above statement is ludicrous and that everybody knows tanks are not designed for urban warfare. Unfortunately I've seen how ignorant my fellow students are in all matters not related to the big party at (insert fraternity name here) and have to concede that very few people realize tanks are actually designed to duel on open plains or better yet, ambush from concealed positions, punch a whole in the enemy lines, and move forward with infantry and air support. Most people seem to think tanks are designed to work on their own or in small groups with other tanks hundreds of miles away from the nearest supply depot/fuel truck.