Topic: Leopard 2 vs. Abrams 3

Damien435 · January 11th, 2006

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Originally Posted by zander_0633

I will defitnely votet for Leo 2 cause there is news that a single RPG round can destroy a Abrams! In this case, it happened in Iraq!

A single RPG can take out any tank in service today, all tanks, regardless of their apparent invulnerability to harm, have weak spots. The Abrams, like most other tanks, is weakest at the rear where the exhaust exits, where the turret connect to the hull, and as always the treads are always in danger of being shot off.

godofthunder9010 · January 11th, 2006

Hey Damien, kudos on this round, you have two races with VERY close contenders. Tough for me or anyone to pick from either race!

FO Seaman · January 11th, 2006

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Originally Posted by Damien435

A single RPG can take out any tank in service today, all tanks, regardless of their apparent invulnerability to harm, have weak spots. The Abrams, like most other tanks, is weakest at the rear where the exhaust exits, where the turret connect to the hull, and as always the treads are always in danger of being shot off.

An RPG can't take out a modern tank, it can disable one however.

Kozzy Mozzy · January 11th, 2006

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Originally Posted by Cadet Seaman

An RPG can't take out a modern tank, it can disable one however.

A RPG can penetrate a tank and kill the crew, this is a fact...

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Originally Posted by zander_0633

I will defitnely votet for Leo 2 cause there is news that a single RPG round can destroy a Abrams! In this case, it happened in Iraq!

A single RPG round can penetrate any tank if placed in the right shot. This is especially true of the newer RPG-29 warheads.

godofthunder9010 · January 12th, 2006

One point of confusion would be if you didn't distinguish between types of RPG and lump them all together. I know that sounds silly, but there are those who will browse through here and never have heard that there are lots of RPG warhead types. Old RPG's vs new RPG's = Huge difference!

Damien435 · January 12th, 2006

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Originally Posted by godofthunder9010

Hey Damien, kudos on this round, you have two races with VERY close contenders. Tough for me or anyone to pick from either race!

That's how this system is supposed to work, first round blowouts and then the real competition begins.

zander_0633 · January 12th, 2006

Well, not always!

Kozzy Mozzy · January 12th, 2006

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Originally Posted by godofthunder9010

One point of confusion would be if you didn't distinguish between types of RPG and lump them all together. I know that sounds silly, but there are those who will browse through here and never have heard that there are lots of RPG warhead types. Old RPG's vs new RPG's = Huge difference!

Correct. Old RPG warheads get about 300mm of penetration, newer ones get 800mm of penetration after ERA. This can tear straight through the side armor of any tank in service.

FO Seaman · January 13th, 2006

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Originally Posted by Koz

Correct. Old RPG warheads get about 300mm of penetration, newer ones get 800mm of penetration after ERA. This can tear straight through the side armor of any tank in service.

No RPG has destroyed an M1, an RPG round penetrated into the turret through the track skirts and between the turret and chassis where this is about an inch od space, so lucky insurgent got a crackshot off.

Now you say an RPG-29 round can penetrate 800mm of armor, the M1's flank armor is 200m thick and the frontal armor is 450m thick. I myself have seen an M1 it by an RPG-7v on the frontal section of the turret and the round made a small blast crater, but it did not penetrate the armor.

I know that a insurgent can take out an M1 if they get a shot on the turret roof from on a building. But other than the single M1 hit by the 7v round and that M1 was in service after being maintained. No M1 has been totally destroyed by an RPG.

FO Seaman · January 13th, 2006

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Originally Posted by zander_0633

I will defitnely votet for Leo 2 cause there is news that a single RPG round can destroy a Abrams! In this case, it happened in Iraq!

The M1 wasn't destroyed, just disable. I know a captain whos good friends with the TC of that tank. I asked him what happened and he said it was penetrated between the turret and chassis in the track skirts where there is about an inch wide gap with no armor, that currently is being fixed. The tank and it's crew where prefectly fine and no damaged other than the hole.

January 11th, 2006	Post 22
godofthunder9010 Tribunus Laticlavius Gear	Hey Damien, kudos on this round, you have two races with VERY close contenders. Tough for me or anyone to pick from either race! __________________ "It is well that war is so terrible, else we should grow too fond of it." - General Robert E. Lee Warning, critical pebkac error in the iD10t!! pebkac\wtflolurpwnzd\snafuroflmao.exe called iD10t, iD10t failed to respond!! System in danger!! "It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong. I am NOT a big man." -Chevy Chase

January 12th, 2006	Post 27
zander_0633 Milforum Gnat Gear	Well, not always! __________________ - Ready To Strike -

View Poll Results :Leopard 2 vs. Abrams
Leopard 2	12	50.00%
Abrams	12	50.00%
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January 12th, 2006	Post 25
godofthunder9010 Tribunus Laticlavius Gear	One point of confusion would be if you didn't distinguish between types of RPG and lump them all together. I know that sounds silly, but there are those who will browse through here and never have heard that there are lots of RPG warhead types. Old RPG's vs new RPG's = Huge difference!