About Largest leak in US military history tells the truth on the Afghanistan war Page 11
|August 2nd, 2010||#102|
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Did the person who leaked it get paid in any way? If he felt the army wasn't acting responsibly he did it from a sense of moral duty.
Would you consider an SS guard grassing on his mates in the Nuremburg trials a traitor? It depends exactly what the military was up to. If they weren't complying with the Geneva convention, if they were alienating the population and generating enemies, perhaps he shuld be viewed more as a hero than a villian. However, if he was grassing for private gain he is indeed a traitor in a more general sense.
I'm all in favour of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let's start with typewriters. Frank Lloyd Wright
|August 2nd, 2010||#103|
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Yes, I personally havent even bothered to look at what was leaked, and probably wouldn't understand the importance or otherwise, of what most of it was anyway.
But one thing I would stake my entire retirement pension on, is that regardless of it's importance, the people responsible for not safeguearding the material in the first place will be in there "boots 'n' all" overexagerating the case mainly for the reasons of "revenge" and to divert attention from their own lack of care.
The blame shifting department will be in high overdrive.
I've been there and seen it all before, it's all part of the "back room boys" culture.
"I am totally responsible for what I write,... however I cannot be held responsible for your complete inability to understand"
Last edited by senojekips; August 2nd, 2010 at 08:50..
|August 2nd, 2010||#104|
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Thanks for taking the time to respond. I'll give you the answer to what my point is.
But if you read between the lines, then you get very important information. If the Iraqi intelligence service reads this article, then their conclusion would be this: radio triggered improvised explosive device (IED) will be a effective weapon to use against the Danish troops as they do not have vehicles equipped with radio jammers.
You see the point now?
Thor has a hammer; Jesus was nailed to a cross, any questions?
|August 2nd, 2010||#105|
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If you reveal operational procedures which can cost people their lives, then it is treason in my eyes.
If I was an SS guard I'd call him a traitor and if I was a prosecutor I would call him a useful idiot.
But since we have gone back to WWII then this poster is still valid.
Last edited by Micha; August 2nd, 2010 at 10:43..
|August 2nd, 2010||#106|
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And here we go again, beard and blue spectacles and ghosts everywhere.
Last edited by Micha; August 2nd, 2010 at 10:14..
|August 2nd, 2010||#107|
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In case you are not aware of it, there is a parallel universe outside that of the Military, it is a commercially driven civilian world and it outnumbers the military both numerically and politically. It is the world that provides both the money AND the enemies that keep the military in it's position of power. This world is composed of all types, from supporters of their relative military forces, to your worst nightmare as enemies.
Somewhere, you have led a very protected life, you should get out more and see what is going on in the world you live in. The truth will shock you.
|August 2nd, 2010||#109|
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The British newspaper The Guardian has a problem as a critical mediator of the papers. the newspaper claims that the documents reveal “a very different landscape” Than what one knows. One would think that the editor had not read newspapers over the last six years. It seems that The Guardian has dramatized the documents more than they can carry, because the newspaper has had exclusive access to them. In this way undermines the press as a serious medium in an age where we are bombarded with information from near and far and have no idea what to believe: source criticism, credibility, insight, ability to prioritize and put information into their proper context.
Several military experts also agree that some of the leaked documents could endanger human life and give the enemy access to how NATO is operating. The media has a responsibility here, but so has the political and military authorities. Indeed, if you repeatedly attempt to suppress information with regard to national security, and it turns out that it is merely a sham to keep inconvenient information away from the public, so the media will be less inclined to listen when national security is really threatened.
That said, we can then welcome the opportunities that WikiLeaks creates for those who believe in transparency and open society. WikiLeaks stood last year behind the publication of thousands of emails from climate scientists that revealed attempts to suppress information that casts doubt on global warming. WikiLeaks has uncovered corruption in Kenya, irregularities in Western banks, an oil scandal in Peru and dumping of hazardous waste in Africa. That day, an official of a repressive regime wanted to share his knowledge of crimes committed by a dictator, WikiLeaks will be the ideal medium, but in the meantime maybe someone should teach Julian Assange the difference between journalism and activism.
I was not born in the military and because I am in the armed forces do not mean that I am not an active member of society. I've been a member of a political party in five years (and yes, it is the conservative party) and international politics have my interest. But I'm only 20 and you are probably twice as old as me and will probably argue that you also are twice as clever. I have lived a sheltered life indeed, and I am grateful for that, but I have not just been sitting on my flat ass at home. I've been out in the world. My father works in a multinational company so I have lived in other countries. The truth will shock you or The Truth Will Set You Free. You sound like the local missionary.
|August 2nd, 2010||#110|
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Yes Micha but the point is we expect folks like Wikileaks and the media to act as they did. Irresponsible, etc. yes. But that's the sort of folks they are.
The ultimate responsibility lies with command and I for one would not like to see those people get away with it by letting the smaller fish fry so they can get away without paying the price.
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