Hi everybody!
I was wondering. How combat effective do you think are Krav Maga and Ninjutsu? Would they be effective for soldiers in a combat situation?

Regards,
Il

Yes I did Krav Maga and I think it's excellent.
I'll do it again once I'm back in the US and have the money!
Krav is probably more effective than Ninjitsu but don't take my word for that because I don't know Ninjitsu that well. But I say this because KM was and is developed by the Israeli military. The moves are fully executable while wearing combat boots, the moves are simple and effective.
I have about 7 or 8 years of Tae Kwon Do and I have 1 year of Krav Maga but if I ever got into any serious trouble I would turn to my Krav Maga training.
Hope that helps.

Thanks! Yeah, I think it did help a lot. I don't see TKD being really effective in combat, I've seen it a little and a friend of mine is about to get a black belt, it's a very nice sport but not really a martial art.
I think ninjutsu might be effective as well, it depends on which ryu you do (some were developed for fighting while wearing armor) but I think Krav Maga (even though I don't really know it) has a little edge over it since it focuses so much on training under stress etc.
Thank you

Regards,
Il

Plain old boxing is ALWAYS helpful, especially if you don't need to kill the guy.

Ninjutsu may help, conceptually, in stealth-based, close proximity situations; Infiltration.
It is not a "tough guy's" martial art, nor is it a sport.

Ninjutsu is dirty, fast, and simple.

With that said, I would think that any extra training would help a soldier in a combat situation.

13th, from what I've read and watched about Krav Maga, it is somewhat similar to Ninjutsu.

Originally Posted by !LH@N

Hi everybody!
I was wondering. How combat effective do you think are Krav Maga and Ninjutsu? Would they be effective for soldiers in a combat situation?

Regards,
Il

Some form of Martial arts is always good to know, but if you get that close to your opponent because you have been overrun in combat then someone F_cked the dog and you will most likely be in a world of Sh_t. Kevlar helmets, entrenching tools and the stock of your weapon should be used.

Thanks a lot for the answers!

Regards,
Il

As an instructor for several years of military hand-to-hand/close combat I would pick Krav Maga over Ninjutsu in a combat situation any day since Krav Maga is designed just for that and Ninjutsu isn't..

In my experience it also takes a LOT of training (black belt+++) to make a "civilian" martial art combat effective since most of them are designed for half-contact, showing off patterns etc. and the techniques requires a lot more training to master than Krav Maga and other military hand-to-hand/close combat forms since they are designed as brutal as possible without the need of too many fancy moves and high kicks/jumps..


The "worst" soldiers I teach in military close combat are those who have a green belt (or others below black) since they're so "stuck" in their patterns and "programmed" moves so it takes quite a lot of training to un-learn those "bad habbits" and adapt them to the military fighting styles.
(and they almost always thinks that their fighting style is the best since they've trained for AT LEAST 3 years... Until we prove them wrong. )
Yeah, I'm bad, I know..

KM includes gun melee techniques, does it not?
If so, KM is probably a better option for a soldier to adopt.

I understand it is deadly and straight to the point.

As a student, and son of a Ninjutsu practitioner, I can personally say that Ninjutsu is not far from KM in that respect.

In Ninjutsu, you are taught to dodge before you block, because their doctrine emphasizes the importance of simply not being there. This extends not only to physical agility, but to wisdom in decision making. (This is just some info I'm throwing out, it may not have any relevance to KM, but moving on~)
After dodging, comes blocks and manipulation of the human body; for example: finger locks, pressure points, etc. -- which usually subsequently lead up to "takedown techniques".
You won't find many of these techniques in "sporty" martial arts as they often inflict permenant damage upon proper application, and can be considered "dirty".

I understand KM is similar.

Ninjutsu is one of those less linear martial arts.
"Fancy", unnecessary movements means getting pummeled in sparring (Pain is a good teacher).

You must take into consideration, of course, that deep down, Ninjutsu is a stealth-based martial art...


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While we're on this subject...
I was told that it is best to not disclose any martial arts experience to a DI's because it may attract unwanted attention. Is this true?

I've also taught martial arts for several years, mostly to teens and adults. I have a 2nd Dan black belt in TKD, and i think its a great basis for a martial arts training, but a HORRIBLE self defense/combat art. TKD is mainly the "sport" area of the martial arts. it looks nice and pretty, but wont do much to save your life.



I trained extensively in KM up with some guys in Canada, and I think its one of the better combat arts. It teaches you to react with whatever you have. fist. knife, shovel. whatever you have is what you use. I think thats more important to survival that learning set defense moves. recognizing a threat, and responding to that threat is critical. all to often, i have seen people in training get punched or kicked because they tried to remember a specific block or combo that they had perfected. I always tried to teach to REACT, and then go from there.